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re: Should our compliance office lessen the penalty for positive marijuana test
Posted on 9/23/17 at 11:19 am to broadcaster
Posted on 9/23/17 at 11:19 am to broadcaster
quote:Yes.
Should our compliance office lessen the penalty for positive marijuana test
Keep testing, bring the stated penalties down to the level of our competition. Would give the coaches the ability to moderate the penalty.
There is no NCAA standard to worry about. The reason I mention this is because infractions where you do have to worry about NCAA penalties, on the program, you should have mandatory triggers. Example: academic eligibility. Whole program is at risk if not maintained, so might as well mandate suspensions.
From what I understand, it takes several fails to get multiple game suspensions which is fairly lax in most of our opinions. We do not know the frequency of testing however.
But still, "lax" should be put in context. That context is formed by the law and our peers/competition. If they piss hot combined with an arrest/citation, by all means ramp it up. But without a legal violation we should be doing what our peers do.
The joke of this is that some schools have very harsh penalties for pissing hot. But have no testing regime. So unless busted by the law, those penalties never come into play. But they will cite their "harshness" for PR value but no one ever questions why it never comes to fruition. (Ole Miss??)
I'd hate to see LSU go that route. So I say test, but put the penalties in the hands of the law and coaches. At least the staff knows who is doing it and can watch for other issues, such as late to meetings, etc.
Posted on 9/23/17 at 11:21 am to broadcaster
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Should our compliance office lessen the penalty for positive marijuana test
From what I understand, one positive test = about 6-8 positive tests already.
These guys are given plenty of leeway now.
Posted on 9/23/17 at 11:23 am to biglego
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I'm certainly ok with not testing for marijuana, but has that really been a reason for suspensions and transfers?
this. since several states have legalizing it and many more are considering it i don't think LSU should test for it. how many suspensions do you see in the rest of the SEC for smoking pot? i don't think we know the truth about that or about why these players have been suspended. it may be for far more serious infractions. but, who on the rant demands proof? most just let rumor suffice and consider it a fact instead of what it usually is; GOSSIP.
Posted on 9/23/17 at 11:28 am to Day Wisher
quote:Rant Pot Heads defending it's use in a college football program.
I don't think that they should bother testing for it at all. I'd prefer to see my players high on the couch at home watching a movie or playing video games instead of out at a bar.
Yes, we want em high, chilled out, slow thinking and unable to quickly process information and their assignments during a game.
Posted on 9/23/17 at 11:32 am to Nix to Twillie
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Nope. Can't stay clean you don't play. We can't start enabling players.
Then by that logic we should start drug testing all the students at LSU and if not we are enabling the entire LSU student body.
Posted on 9/23/17 at 11:34 am to broadcaster
I find it interesting that in Nick Saban's LSU "binder," way back in 2001, he forbade drugs and alcohol "in dorm rooms" but tellingly, no blanket forbidding.
LINK
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Posted on 9/23/17 at 11:37 am to semjase
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Rant Pot Heads defending it's use in a college football program.
Yes, we want em high, chilled out, slow thinking and unable to quickly process information and their assignments during a game.
I said I'd prefer them at home high instead of at a bar drunk. I'm not advocating they smoke during a game any more than a drinker would advocate mixing cocktails in the locker room at halftime.
Posted on 9/23/17 at 11:37 am to broadcaster
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Should our compliance office lessen the penalty for positive marijuana test
no our players should be smarter. Many of them are going to be entering the workforce soon and may be required to take drug tests for their jobs. They need to be smarter. If they know they're going to be drug tested, then maybe don't smoke weed. It's not hard.
This post was edited on 9/23/17 at 11:38 am
Posted on 9/23/17 at 11:37 am to martiallaw
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Then by that logic we should start drug testing all the students at LSU and if not we are enabling the entire LSU student body.
The entire student body isn't in the national spotlight representing LSU.
Posted on 9/23/17 at 11:39 am to semjase
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Yes, we want em high, chilled out, slow thinking and unable to quickly process information and their assignments during a game.
Don't smoke the day of a game, just like you would expect them to not drink the day of a game.
This post was edited on 9/23/17 at 11:41 am
Posted on 9/23/17 at 11:40 am to broadcaster
Seems to me that any non performance enhancing offenses should be treated the same way they would for any non student athlete.
Posted on 9/23/17 at 11:41 am to biglego
Let's not play with semantics.
No LSU is not the law. But we are both preparing these kids for the future and keeping up with NCAA regulations.
Do you have a job, do you get drug tested? Chances are if you work in the corporate world, the answer is yes. And it doesn't matter if the state you live in has legalized marijuana or not. If you work for a corporation and live in Denver, you are upheld to the same standards the rest of the country is. You fail the test, you get fired, legal or not.
Let's not forget that these are kids and we are not JUST trying to win football games.
No LSU is not the law. But we are both preparing these kids for the future and keeping up with NCAA regulations.
Do you have a job, do you get drug tested? Chances are if you work in the corporate world, the answer is yes. And it doesn't matter if the state you live in has legalized marijuana or not. If you work for a corporation and live in Denver, you are upheld to the same standards the rest of the country is. You fail the test, you get fired, legal or not.
Let's not forget that these are kids and we are not JUST trying to win football games.
Posted on 9/23/17 at 11:42 am to MadtownTiger
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How ‘bout...don’t break the freaking law. Are marijuana laws outdated these days...yes. But it’s still the law.
How has no one thought of this? 10/10 post
Posted on 9/23/17 at 11:45 am to broadcaster
Hell yes. We are at a competitive disadvantage.
We kicked arguably our best player ever off due to pot. It's gonna be legal soon anyway.
We kicked arguably our best player ever off due to pot. It's gonna be legal soon anyway.
Posted on 9/23/17 at 11:46 am to martiallaw
quote:
Then by that logic we should start drug testing all the students at LSU and if not we are enabling the entire LSU student body.
No, just the ones on scholarships.
Posted on 9/23/17 at 12:02 pm to semjase
quote:
Rant Pot Heads defending it's use in a college football program.
I don't use it, but smart enough to see the misguided imbalance between the alcohol acceptance and mj stigma.
quote:Yep, Mathieu is the perfect example.
Yes, we want em high, chilled out, slow thinking and unable to quickly process information and their assignments during a game.
A hangover is what you're thinking of.
Posted on 9/23/17 at 12:39 pm to broadcaster
we should test them as little as possible and do everything possible to help them pass NCAA tests
Posted on 9/23/17 at 12:41 pm to broadcaster
If a player isn't disciplined enough to follow the rules, he doesn't need to see the field. It's pretty simple.
I'm not questioning the safety or legality of weed, only the mindset of habitually ignoring well-known rules.
I'm not questioning the safety or legality of weed, only the mindset of habitually ignoring well-known rules.
This post was edited on 9/23/17 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 9/23/17 at 12:44 pm to p0845330
quote:but the rule is silly, so we should get rid of it.
If a player isn't disciplined enough to follow the rules, he doesn't need to see the field. It's pretty simple.
Posted on 9/23/17 at 1:01 pm to MadtownTiger
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How ‘bout...don’t break the freaking law.
The next time you look down and you are speeding, please pull over and flag down the next available LEO to give your dumb arse a ticket.
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