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re: Who has been involved in more wars since WWII than the United States??
Posted on 9/15/17 at 2:58 pm to Zach
Posted on 9/15/17 at 2:58 pm to Zach
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We shouldn't have gotten involved in WWII. We're called Nazis anyway today.
EDIT: Truthfully the US never needed to fight in Europe. The Soviets would have beat Germany by themselves.
This post was edited on 9/15/17 at 3:00 pm
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Posted on 9/15/17 at 3:02 pm to I B Freeman
As the lone hyperpower in a truly global economy, everything is our business to some degree - often not necessarily meaning armed force (especially, in your list, Vietnam, Iraq II, the Shah, and Lebanon), but it does affect us and we can affect it.
Look at Syria - do you not think that will have destabilizing effects all across the Middle East and Europe that will eventually have economic, political, and social effects on the U.S.?
And I would argue we received back what we paid into Korea many times over.
Look at Syria - do you not think that will have destabilizing effects all across the Middle East and Europe that will eventually have economic, political, and social effects on the U.S.?
And I would argue we received back what we paid into Korea many times over.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 3:03 pm to Zach
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Right on! But you left out a few. We shouldn't have had the Revolution. I like British people. We shouldn't have had the civil war. I want a slave. We shouldn't have gotten involved in WWII. We're called Nazis anyway today.
All good points.
(shame on you)
Posted on 9/15/17 at 3:27 pm to I B Freeman
Now you're just being ignorant. The domino effect absolutely was a threat. Communists were taking over all around the world and if we had plunged our head into the sand, Latin America, South America, half of Asia and Europe would have gone communist. The only reason Communism collapsed was because we outspent them and used hot and cold wars to fight Soviet intervention where feasible.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 3:28 pm to I B Freeman
Well the US didn't technically declare war in any of those instances
Posted on 9/15/17 at 3:32 pm to I B Freeman
If you count revolutions, I'd say communists.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 3:32 pm to AggieDub14
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Well the US didn't technically declare war in any of those instances
Correct and we should return to requiring a declaration of war.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 3:33 pm to I B Freeman
Hell yeah 
Posted on 9/15/17 at 3:37 pm to I B Freeman
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The Korean War was none of our business.
The Viet Nam War was none of our business AND proved we were not threatened by the North Vietnamese as LBJ told us.
The Balkan Wars were none of our business.
Desert Storm was none of our business.
The second Iraqi war was a mistake and we were not threatened by Saddam.
The war in Lebanon was none of our business but got 300 marines killed.
The war in Syria is none of our business.
We had no business installing the Shah in 53.
We should have left Nicargua to Ortega--he ended up running it anyway.
on and on.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 3:40 pm to ClientNumber9
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The domino effect absolutely was a threat.
Why didn't Thailand fall? Laos or even Cambodia where the Khmer Rouge took over?
The Chinese and the USSR were certainly stronger in 74 than they were in 64. If it was their goal to rule the world they could have expanded into Southeast Asia and into Western Europe.
We didn't go to war in Europe and the USSR never expanded beyond the Eastern Bloc they occupied at the end of WWII with the exception of the invasion of Afghanistan to basically stop Muslim terrorists.
The USSR collapsed because we outspent them and they lacked the economic engine to keep up JUST as they lacked the economic engine to expand.
The Chinese are hosting the World Communist Congress next month BTW. The idea that communism is gone is wrong.
This post was edited on 9/15/17 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 9/15/17 at 3:43 pm to I B Freeman
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they said they were out to get us Who was "they"?? A few communist individuals?
OK, so you flunked history in HS. Zach is here to help:
Posted on 9/15/17 at 3:45 pm to Zach
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The domino theory was a Cold War policy that suggested a communist government in one nation would quickly lead to communist takeovers in neighboring states, each falling like a perfectly aligned row of dominos. In Southeast Asia, the U.S. government used the now-discredited domino theory to justify its involvement in the Vietnam War and its support for a non-communist dictator in South Vietnam. In fact, the American failure to prevent a communist victory in Vietnam had much less of an impact than had been assumed by proponents of the domino theory. With the exception of Laos and Cambodia, communism failed to spread throughout Southeast Asia.
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The domino theory is now largely discredited, having failed to take into account the character of the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong struggle in the Vietnam War.
By assuming Ho Chi Minh was a pawn of the communist giants Russia and China, American policymakers failed to see that the goal of Ho and his supporters was Vietnamese independence, not the spread of communism.
In the end, even though the American effort to block a communist takeover failed, and North Vietnamese forces marched into Saigon in 1975, communism did not spread throughout the rest of Southeast Asia. With the exception of Laos and Cambodia, the nations of the region remained out of communist control.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 3:48 pm to Zach
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I want a slave.
wait a minute, you are a white guy in Louisiana and DON'T own a slave???
does CNN know about this
Posted on 9/15/17 at 3:51 pm to Loserman
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EDIT: Truthfully the US never needed to fight in Europe. The Soviets would have beat Germany by themselves.
maybe, maybe not
IF they did win, then they's have had ALL the nukes 1st & we would have been fricked
if the Russians had lost, then Hitler would have had all the nukes 1st and we would have been fricked
so, TRUTHFULLY, we made a good decision and did the right thing
the ONLY thing we did wrong was ignoring Patton's advice to continue our march until we took down Moscow...
Posted on 9/15/17 at 3:55 pm to I B Freeman
The domino threat hinges on the fact that if the US placed itself back into post-WW1 isolation then the Communist threat would have expanded all over the world. That remains true. It makes no difference what Ho Chi Mihn's political desire or revolutionary bent was. The Soviets aided the rise of Communist and other totalitarian states from 1947 until we finally buried them via capitalism in 1989. We didn't agree with the Mujahedeen in Afghanistan in 1980 but we supported them with billions of dollars and weapons anyhow as a means to prevent the spread of Russian influence.
Foreign intervention demonstrated that we would engage our enemy and without that threat, the Soviet Union would be still be standing today, just twice as powerful.
Foreign intervention demonstrated that we would engage our enemy and without that threat, the Soviet Union would be still be standing today, just twice as powerful.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 4:04 pm to I B Freeman
quote:you're retarded? ok, that's kewl
The Korean War was none of our business.
guess what would have happened in Europe if a genius such as yourself was in charge?
Posted on 9/15/17 at 4:20 pm to ClientNumber9
quote:god fricking knows.
Foreign intervention demonstrated that we would engage our enemy and without that threat
I know there's so much unnecessary and costly intervention, but the ib freeman ron paul types talk like this even with the power of hindsight and come off like fricking retards
Posted on 9/15/17 at 4:23 pm to I B Freeman
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The Korean War was none of our business
I want to agree with you on this, but we were occupying Korea at the time
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The Viet Nam War
Yep, Gulf of Tonkin incident was proven to be a fraud
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Desert Storm
Yes
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The second Iraqi war was a mistake and we were not threatened by Saddam.
Will agree, because if Sadam was in bed with al Qaeda then he was the dumbest dicttaor since Groucho Marx and Woody Allen in Bananas.....and.....Saddam was no fool.
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The war in Lebanon was none of our business but got 300 marines killed.
Yes, and at least Reagan was smart enough to withdraw the Marines after the barracks bombing
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The war in Syria is none of our business.
Yep
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We had no business installing the Shah in 53
Yep, and you can thank our friends, the British for giving a big assist on the deal
You left out WWI....Wilhelm of Germany had no beef with the US...the Lusitania notwithstanding. He really had no beef with the British Empire, hell, his first cousin was the King of England....not even sure he really wanted to get involved with the French. Point is, we really had nothing to merit our involvement in Europe at that time
Spanish American War....the War to protect American sugar companies....afterwards we got saddled with the Philippines and fought a civil war there for a few years.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 4:25 pm to I B Freeman
If you don't understand why we had to fight in Korea and Vietnam then I don't know what to tell you.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 4:28 pm to AUstar
Vietnam was a french colony and we originally became involved on their behalf under ike, then the french did what the french do and yada yada yada not quite the same as korea other than American policy dictated actions...Vietnam, never should have been there for kennedy to escalate things and then Johnson went nutso
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