re: That Meat and Cheese is Killing You, baws

Thanks Doc! Let me tell you what my Doc said in June.

Doc: "Wow. You've done a good job at getting your weight down and your blood work is the best it has been since we started monitoring it 10 years ago. What are you doing?"

Me: "I started doing a keto diet at the end of February. Started walking a few miles every night and lifting weights."

Doc: "Great. Keep doing exactly what you're doing."

Why do we have Incisors?

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You know what these studies show me - that mice shouldn't be doing that. Mouse studies - IGF is waaaay overblown these days.

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It's been shown in humans. Go to google scholar and search "IGF-1 and longevity" or "IGF-1 and cancer risk." Tons of papers will pop up.

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Saturated fat? you kidding me? you know where that came from? Epidemiological studies that got their info from food questionnaires. That's right, food questionnaires. They confounded saturated fats with other crap, take "hamburger" ok.....its got saturated fat! But, they didn't connect that it also has a bun, ketchup, mustard, and other crap. the ground beef isn't the harmful agent here.

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It's not debatable. The science is clear that saturated fat correlates with heart disease. Every scientific body from the AHA to the Harvard School of Public Health (and many others) agree. No one says that saturated fat and cholesterol is good for you. No real scientist says that because all of the evidence says otherwise. Indeed, there was a major meta-analysis done a couple years ago that made headlines. It claimed that after they reviewed all human trials related to saturated fat intake that they could find no evidence of saturated fat being linked to heart disease. However, the authors later had to retract the paper after real scientists shat all over their "data." (You probably didn't hear about the retraction on the keto reddit).

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Now I figured it out, you're trolling. r/keto has 400,000+ subscribers because it jacks peoples lipid panels to insane values while they lose weight /s. You have no idea about anything related to cholesterol, trigs, HDL, LDL-C, LDL-p or what they mean.

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Weight loss will help your lipid panels no matter what you eat. It's not surprising that a fat arse 300 pound dude who gets down to 200 eating sausage and eggs will have better lipid panels than he did when he was almost dead at 300. Keto diets only work because eating meat = calorie restriction.

One thing we probably agree on: Eating processed sugary junk food is bad. Sodas are terrible. Cookies, candybars, cupcakes all bad. No argument there.

And grass fed beef makes no difference. It's still beef. It is still saturated fat and cholesterol. It still raises your IGF-1 (good for muscle building, bad for your heart).

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My gaydar just went the frick off, brah.

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I could quote you a 100 studies that show the opposite. Again stop depending on what the government tells you and do your own research, hell take blood work before and after and see how it works on you.

Also the ada also thinks total cholesterol is important and coconuts are bad for you. Brilliant mother frickers they are.

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IGF is waaaay overblown these days.

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Both Low and High Serum IGF-1 Levels Associate With Increased Risk of Cardiovascular Events in Elderly Men

IGF-1 Levels are Significantly Correlated With Patient-reported Measures of Sexual Function

All-cause mortality was increased in subjects with low as well as high IGF1 categories, hazard ratio (HR) 1.27 (95% CI 1.08–1.49) and HR 1.18 (95% CI 1.04–1.34), respectively.

What will we do? The scare of cancer related IGF was always exactly that, a scare. It is not well understood, but both high and low levels are associated to be bad, not just high levels. It was all a play against meat eating.
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The science is clear that saturated fat correlates with heart disease. Every scientific body from the AHA to the Harvard School of Public Health (and many others) agree

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Bro, do I even have to? The AHA and Harvard School are both corrupt.

AHA Corruption

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the AHA noted $521 million in donations from non-government and non-membership sources and many well-known large drug companies, including those who make and market statins, contribute amounts in the $1 million range.

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Even as many in the medical community suspected the guidelines were a ploy to help the AHA’s drug partners sell statins, it was revealed that the guideline’s online calculator to determine cardiac disease risk over predicts risk by an astonishing 75 to 150 percent. But the guideline writers are standing firmly behind their faulty calculator.

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The financial ties between large pharmaceutical companies and the AHA are numerous and very remunerative for the AHA, including huge donations from Abbott, Bayer...

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Did that have anything to do with the $2 million a year the AHA was taking from marketer Merck/Schering-Plough Pharmaceuticals?

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The AHA also rakes in millions from food companies which are also million dollar donors and which pay from $5,490 to $7,500 per product to gain the “heart-check mark” imprimatur from the AHA, renewable, at a price, every year.

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And moving onto the Harvard chaps...

LINK

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The documents show that a trade group called the Sugar Research Foundation, known today as the Sugar Association, paid three Harvard scientists the equivalent of about $50,000 in today’s dollars to publish a 1967 review of research on sugar, fat and heart disease. The studies used in the review were handpicked by the sugar industry.

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In 1965, Mr. Hickson enlisted the Harvard researchers to write a review that would debunk the anti-sugar studies. He paid them a total of $6,500, the equivalent of $49,000 today. Mr. Hickson selected the papers for them to review and made it clear he wanted the result to favor sugar.

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…The Harvard scientists had dismissed the data on sugar as weak and given far more credence to the data implicating saturated fat.

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So excuse me if I take bias into account....

Speaking of bias and saturated fats, look at this review put together by a financial institute, Credit Suisse. They are a financial institute with NO bias and want to know the actual science, not bias interpretations. Before you claim this is a review, they cite a TON of studies showing saturated fats not being harmful. The review cites 163 total studies on saturated fats and cholesterol.

Credit Suisse
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Weight loss will help your lipid panels no matter what you eat. It's not surprising that a fat arse 300 pound dude who gets down to 200 eating sausage and eggs will have better lipid panels than he did when he was almost dead at 300. Keto diets only work because eating meat = calorie restriction.

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Ah, yes. The mythical 3500 calories = 1 lbs mystery. Too bad your body isn't some damned machine, but a complex system of biochemistry. If all calories are the same then why is table sugar deemed horrible yet the same caloric value in broccoli deemed healthy?

Or how these fricks managed to change weight based on exacly 1000 calories of fat, protein, and carbohydrate.



Or these fricks with ethanol.





Body weight didn't change at the end, yet they doubled the caloric intake with ethanol.

But all calories are the same

GTFO with your decades-old science. You wont read any of this shite anyway - so I'll just bookmark it for the next dumbass that comes along.

Edit to on quoting Wiki on "The scientific consensus"

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will take the advice of a panel of MD's and PhD's who do this for a living over a couple of rando doctors on Youtube looking to make a buck

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These people have been working on the obesity epidemic for 50 years. The only study I need is to go Walmart and study the crowd that has benefited from their fine work.

I've only scanned through this thread so may not have honed in on all of the talking points. I eat meat with nearly every meal and also consume a good amount of cheese. However, I'm guessing that the average American consumes even much higher amounts of meat and cheese than I do.

Some of these people obviously do it in an unhealthy way. For those that are workout fanatics and also have high intakes, there is probably a balance that is most beneficial and I agree that some go over that threshold, which leads to some negatives. Just like the negatives that come from a 100% plant based diet.

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I will say he is also right about meat and cheese and dairy is killing us buts it's because of the bullshite way it's raised. Naturally grown animals that are fed their natural diet are what we should be eating and is what we are meant to eat.

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man I miss Europe