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re: Game of Thrones S7 E6 "Beyond The Wall" MAESTERS THREAD NO SPOILERS
Posted on 8/21/17 at 8:13 am to Buckeye06
Posted on 8/21/17 at 8:13 am to Buckeye06
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I'm sure this has been brought up multiple times about the timeline, but my gripe is it's easily avoidable. If dany was going to save them anyway, why didn't she just fly them up to Eastwatch in the first place and wait there with her dragons? Just fly all of them up, along with Tyrion, then wait there. What changed for her that now she is so intent on flying north?
Yeah, that raven from Eastwatch to Dragonstone must have been doping Shade of the Evening.
In the earlier episode where Euron destroyed the Ironborn fleet and Dornish and Tyrell armies it annoyed me to no end that Dany didn't bother to take a half day to go up and scout for the fleet. The Unsullied's journey around Dorne was just too long for that to be practical but Dragonstone to Blackwater Rush isn't far at all. She could have made a quick scouting flight and if necessary, cleared a beachhead for the fleet with minimal effort.
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Posted on 8/21/17 at 8:16 am to Buckeye06
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Eh I've been telling my friend there was going to be a zombie dragon for multiple seasons. It isn't some crazy out of the box theory. There was no way to know he would be an olympic javelin thrower but the endgame was the same.
I think most of us have had the same thought. But to nail it down to this episode after the leaks came out
Posted on 8/21/17 at 8:17 am to musick
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Me during the Arya and Sansa scenes:
I like the theory that Arya is using Sansa to play LF who thinks he's using Arya to play Sansa, but the only reason that makes sense is because Arya is better than this. I really don't see the path forward where this is Arya's con rather than LFs.
Arya is impulsive and takes action. If she was going to do something with the scroll she'd have done it already. Maybe she's just waiting for Jon although she kind of ruled that out herself saying he'd forgive her. So sitting on this info doesn't make sense for Arya either. I don't see how Sansa telling LF she's scared of her sister gives Arya any actionable info to use on LF.
They've hurried so many other storylines to their detriment but this storyline they've made annoyingly detailed. They are cheap scenes to shoot though...
Posted on 8/21/17 at 8:17 am to boXerrumble
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They traded Viserion for a wight
Sometimes it seems like a bad trade but bad trades are part of baseball. - Annie Savoy
Posted on 8/21/17 at 8:20 am to Buckeye06
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I'm sure this has been brought up multiple times about the timeline, but my gripe is it's easily avoidable. If dany was going to save them anyway, why didn't she just fly them up to Eastwatch in the first place and wait there with her dragons? Just fly all of them up, along with Tyrion, then wait there. What changed for her that now she is so intent on flying north?
Ya the entire trip north of the wall doesn't make much sense other than to further the plot, and get a dragon to the NK. At least to me it doesn't.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 8:20 am to shinerfan
Well that wight is used to unite all the forces of westeros so it's more like they traded a dragon for 150,000 men and it seems to me that dragons aren't much good against them nights king who has a bright future in the NFL if the whole "taking over the world" thing doesn't work out
This post was edited on 8/21/17 at 8:21 am
Posted on 8/21/17 at 8:22 am to Porter Osborne Jr
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I have read no spoilers and watched no leaks, I promise. I just have a nagging feeling that one of those dragons is going to die.
I have a nagging feeling that you're full of shite about not watching the leaks or reading spoilers.
A dragon biting the dust wasn't really hard to deduce as HBO retweeted the ice dragon standing on the wall picture before the season. So either (1) NK already has an ice dragon or (2) he has to kill one of Dany's and turn it.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 8:23 am to Sneaky__Sally
The reviews are not being kind to this episode. They praise the production value and final battle scene but are killing them on plot and scriptwriting.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 8:24 am to Buckeye06
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If dany was going to save them anyway, why didn't she just fly them up to Eastwatch in the first place and wait there with her dragons?
Because her most trusted advisor doesn't want her to leave Dragonstone at all. Tyrion even tried to talk her out of rescuing them.
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What changed for her that now she is so intent on flying north?
Learning that her most important potential ally and Jorah were in actual danger. I don't understand why people are saying the dragon saving them story line is contrived. It played out in a pretty natural way other than the communication and transportation time. Although I've read that the math adds up.
The thing that really made no sense was why the NK went after Viserius instead of Drogon. The only "legitimate" explanation I can think of is that the NK had a premonition of him with Viserius and not Drogon.
This post was edited on 8/21/17 at 8:27 am
Posted on 8/21/17 at 8:26 am to prplhze2000
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The reviews are not being kind to this episode. They praise the production value and final battle scene but are killing them on plot and scriptwriting.
Ya, that is pretty on point. I think this season has suffered from those points because of how quickly everything needs to be wrapped up. You suffer in terms of character development and the plot nuances as less stuff is able to be explained and the battles / production side takes up more time.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 8:30 am to Sneaky__Sally
Its been like watching a sparknotes version
Posted on 8/21/17 at 8:31 am to TigerinATL
I think Bran may play a part in all the LF stuff, the chaos is a ladder line and music cue says something.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 8:33 am to musick
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I think Bran may play a part in all the LF stuff, the chaos is a ladder line and music cue says something.
"Soft hearts of women" I think would be the best reveal. That line has always just ate at me as something LF would tell Joffrey to make sure executed Ned Stark, and also the fact that Janos Slynt seemed to be expecting that order.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 8:36 am to TigerinATL
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Because her most trusted advisor doesn't want her to leave Dragonstone at all. Tyrion even tried to talk her out of rescuing them.
Tyrion could have hopped on the dragon too and gone up for the ride. She didn't have to go with them north of the wall, but just stay at the wall, since ya know, she has 3 things that breath fire
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Learning that her most important potential ally and Jorah were in actual danger.
She didn't think they were in actual danger going north of the wall to try and steal a single zombie from an army of them?
Posted on 8/21/17 at 8:38 am to Buckeye06
I think the random squad of zombies at that location may give credence to the whole NK setting up Dany / Jon to get a Dragon.
Why was that small group walking separated from the whole army. And that location set up perfectly for the whole thing to go down. Hopefully next season we get more insight into the NK and his motivations.
Why was that small group walking separated from the whole army. And that location set up perfectly for the whole thing to go down. Hopefully next season we get more insight into the NK and his motivations.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 8:50 am to Sneaky__Sally
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Ya, that is pretty on point. I think this season has suffered from those points because of how quickly everything needs to be wrapped up. You suffer in terms of character development and the plot nuances as less stuff is able to be explained and the battles / production side takes up more time.
This has probably been covered numerous times on here, but is there a reason HBO shortened the episodes for Seasons 7 and 8 to 13?
I mean its not like the show is struggling to keep viewers, hell despite the leaks, viewership is still increasing.
I can't imagine its related to money.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 8:52 am to Sneaky__Sally
I think Viserion was targeted because he actually could have fallen through the lake and kept from burning.
If he had hit Drogon, Drogon would have just sat on that rock burning until there was nothing left of him to revive.
That's the best explanation I got.
If he had hit Drogon, Drogon would have just sat on that rock burning until there was nothing left of him to revive.
That's the best explanation I got.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 9:01 am to Sneaky__Sally
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Ya, that is pretty on point. I think this season has suffered from those points because of how quickly everything needs to be wrapped up. You suffer in terms of character development and the plot nuances as less stuff is able to be explained and the battles / production side takes up more time.
Could have made the season 10 episodes, then spent 2-3 with the guys making their way north of the wall, going there for 15 minutes or so an episode, and flushing it out more.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 9:03 am to Porter Osborne Jr
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I think most of us have had the same thought. But to nail it down to this episode after the leaks came out
Not to defend people posting spoilers, but anyone that watches the series knows big shite always goes down in the second to last episode of each season. I'd qualify a dragon turning as "big shite.:
Having said that, I try to skip every post with predictions since the leaks got out.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 9:03 am to prplhze2000
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A dragon biting the dust wasn't really hard to deduce as HBO retweeted the ice dragon standing on the wall picture before the season. So either (1) NK already has an ice dragon or (2) he has to kill one of Dany's and turn it.
This. I never reposted that pic bc I didn't want to be a dbag, but it's been in the back of my head all season. Moronic of HBO to associate themselves with that
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The reviews are not being kind to this episode. They praise the production value and final battle scene but are killing them on plot and scriptwriting.
Rightfully so.
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