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How do you identify a sandbagger?

Posted on 8/16/17 at 7:24 pm
Posted by hedgehog
Prairieville
Member since Oct 2006
2277 posts
Posted on 8/16/17 at 7:24 pm
We have a guy in our golf group that regularly beats his cap in our tournaments. He rarely if ever beats his cap in friendlies.

Just this past week he shot 77 as a 13 cap (-8 net) to win our PGA tournament. He has finished first in 6 of our last 20 tournaments (we play 4 tournaments a year) in which the field consists of 28-32 guys. Each first place finish he has beaten his cap by at least 3 strokes.

Now we've had guys shoot net 61s to win but no one consistently beats their cap in our tournaments like him.

I say he needs a handicap adjustment but most in our group say he is just a grinder and tough competitor.

Would your club or group label him a sandbagger?
Or is he just a tough competitor?

Thanks for your time.
Posted by BagMan69
Flora Bama
Member since Nov 2016
638 posts
Posted on 8/16/17 at 7:56 pm to
Just play straight up - anyone using NET is a bagger.
Posted by Toula
504
Member since Dec 2006
35399 posts
Posted on 8/16/17 at 8:22 pm to
Only net -8 I've seen in tourneys are the 23+ handicappers that have a good day and shoot 95-97.

A 13 dropping a 77 is fishy AF
Posted by Front9Bandit
Member since Dec 2013
15432 posts
Posted on 8/16/17 at 8:27 pm to
quote:

Just this past week he shot 77 as a 13 cap


This should occur maybe once a year if that, it happens, but rare
Posted by Waffle House
NYC
Member since Aug 2008
3946 posts
Posted on 8/16/17 at 9:27 pm to
Handicap based on tourney scores.
Posted by medtiger
Member since Sep 2003
21682 posts
Posted on 8/16/17 at 9:52 pm to
Lots of great info here... LINK

Basically, the odds of your guy with a 13 beating his handicap by 8 strokes are about 1 in 1138. Assuming 50 rounds per year, which is obviously a good bit of golf, he should only do that once every 22 years.
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
63226 posts
Posted on 8/17/17 at 2:06 am to
I've been anywhere from a 12-16 over the last 10+ years, and I've broken 80 maybe twice in that time, none in down/putt out style tournaments.

Your boy is a bagger.
Posted by BeaverPRO
Tampa
Member since Aug 2009
16251 posts
Posted on 8/17/17 at 7:07 am to
Anyone who wants to play sandies (or any of those bullshite games), wolf, and claims a 7 handicap...Bagger
Posted by Wormburner
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2007
648 posts
Posted on 8/17/17 at 10:02 am to
OH shite!!!!
Posted by Wormburner
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2007
648 posts
Posted on 8/17/17 at 10:05 am to
There is more than one questionable cap in this group. A few multiple winners in the last few years.
Posted by Tigerbythetale
Las Vegas
Member since Aug 2014
1458 posts
Posted on 8/18/17 at 11:34 pm to
Any golfer who plays that much better than their handicap is either a sandbagger or is chezting some other way or both ! :
Posted by makersmark1
earth
Member since Oct 2011
15990 posts
Posted on 8/31/17 at 5:39 am to
As a 13 index, I'm suspicious of a 77.

A handicap is 85% of your best 10 of last 20 rounds.

83 to 100 is the range of my last 20.

I have shot 39 on 9, but breaking 80 as a 13 index is suspicious. My course is a 137 slope, course rating 72 from white tees.

Only way I see myself shooting 77 is at an easy course with maybe a 119 slope and 69 course rating.
Posted by TigerCruise
Virginia Beach, VA
Member since Oct 2013
11898 posts
Posted on 4/13/19 at 6:29 pm to
Definitely a sandbagger. I played at a club for a couple years that did tons of tournaments and I always noticed that during the "shitty tournaments" some guys who were 10-15 handicaps would shoot in the high 80s and then magically when the big prize tournaments came about, they were ALWAYS shooting in the high 70s and low 80s.

That or they just fricking cheat, which is also a possibility.
This post was edited on 4/13/19 at 6:30 pm
Posted by Front9Bandit
Member since Dec 2013
15432 posts
Posted on 4/13/19 at 9:11 pm to
quote:

How do you identify a sandbagger?


Look for a guy dressed like a mailman
Posted by Brood211
Member since Jun 2012
1415 posts
Posted on 4/15/19 at 11:57 am to
Caps are supposed to be your top potential for this reason.. a 13 dropping 77s on the reg is not a 13

At my club they track each tourney and will adjust the cap for people who are 3 strokes better for 3 tournies
Posted by reauxl tigers
Tiger Woods Fan
Member since Aug 2014
8011 posts
Posted on 4/15/19 at 11:59 am to
What's the point of sandbagging, what is to be gained?
This post was edited on 4/15/19 at 12:02 pm
Posted by Vecchio Cane
Ivory Tower
Member since Jul 2016
17837 posts
Posted on 4/15/19 at 12:32 pm to
In my experience, pretty much any winner of a tournament that uses handicaps

Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
29435 posts
Posted on 4/16/19 at 6:35 am to
Having a 30 catch a good day and shoot 89-91 isn’t crazy.

Having a 15 break 80 is bullshite. Especially if he does so in tournaments consistently.
Posted by HubbaBubba
F_uck Joe Biden, TX
Member since Oct 2010
45857 posts
Posted on 4/17/19 at 11:57 pm to
I used to be in charge of tournaments for my club. We worked with all the other clubs in the area to track player results. You better your sweet arse we adjusted certain players' handicaps. Oh, they'd bitch and moan but I'd tell them, "We're not hurting for competitors. You can always not play. That's an option you should consider." They always played anyway. Had to save face with their pals.
Posted by double d
Amarillo by morning
Member since Jun 2004
16453 posts
Posted on 4/18/19 at 6:34 am to
Usually they are short fat guys who love to drink during friendly rounds.
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