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re: BR traffic today was an assraping. When will it be time?
Posted on 7/24/17 at 10:51 am to member12
Posted on 7/24/17 at 10:51 am to member12
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The Greenlight 2 tax had widespread support in midcity and south Baton Rouge, along with a handful of precincts in north Baton Rouge within the city limits. However, voters in the northern part of the parish overwhelmingly rejected the 2016 roads tax plan, although they supported Broome. Voters in the southeastern part of the parish did not support the roads tax, nor did they vote for Broome.
What was really dumb about the whole vote were the two different items that needed to pass. One passed and one did not.
Just shows how dumb the people in those parts of the parish were/are.
Though they didnt have a problem voting for the COA to triple their annual operating budget (even before everyone knew what crooks they had on their payroll)
Link to Business Report article today:
LINK
I believe I still have a one page document of the high level overview on GLP2 that listed all of the projects included. It will be interesting to see how that compares to SWB's proposal.
This post was edited on 7/24/17 at 10:55 am
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Posted on 7/24/17 at 10:52 am to magildachunks
The opposition is not to the text of the bill nor its purpose.
The opposition is rooted in the fact that nobody trusts that the bill will be inplemented properly. They will amend, they will reappropriate, they will divert the funding in future years, they will find 55 'studies' to perform......they have proven this consistently time and again. Any bill passed can easily be changed with the passage of another. Resting your whole argument on "THE TEXT OF THE BILL IS WHAT YOU WANT" completely misunderstands the opposing argument. No one disagrees that the bill is great in theory. The legislature has lost all credibility and trust when it comes to the administration of said bill.
They need to prove they can run government efficiently and effectively. Period. Cut the waste, cut the corruption, then you can ask me for more money.
The opposition is rooted in the fact that nobody trusts that the bill will be inplemented properly. They will amend, they will reappropriate, they will divert the funding in future years, they will find 55 'studies' to perform......they have proven this consistently time and again. Any bill passed can easily be changed with the passage of another. Resting your whole argument on "THE TEXT OF THE BILL IS WHAT YOU WANT" completely misunderstands the opposing argument. No one disagrees that the bill is great in theory. The legislature has lost all credibility and trust when it comes to the administration of said bill.
They need to prove they can run government efficiently and effectively. Period. Cut the waste, cut the corruption, then you can ask me for more money.
This post was edited on 7/24/17 at 10:56 am
Posted on 7/24/17 at 11:03 am to ILeaveAtHalftime
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The opposition is rooted in the fact that nobody trusts that the bill will be inplemented properly. They will amend, they will reappropriate, they will divert the funding in future years, they will find 55 'studies' to perform......they have proven this consistently time and again. Any bill passed can easily be changed with the passage of another. Resting your whole argument on "THE TEXT OF THE BILL IS WHAT YOU WANT" completely misunderstands the opposing argument. No one disagrees that the bill is great in theory. The legislature has lost all credibility and trust when it comes to the administration of said bill
THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS!!!!!!!!!!
The tax fan boys just don't get it. Its not the bill, the purpose of the tax, or even the tax amount that people oppose. Its the administrators. Its the absolute lack of trust in the legislature and departments that will get the money. Even if DOTD was mandated by law to be the sole administrator of the funds, I'd vote against it because that group answers to the Governor and legislature in some form or another.
We have no confidence or trust in our state gov't to do the right thing with our tax dollars because they have proven to be so negligent for so long.
Restore the faith and trust of the tax payers and then come ask for more money.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 11:11 am to tigerinthebueche
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The tax fan boys just don't get it. Its not the bill, the purpose of the tax, or even the tax amount that people oppose.
I'm no fan of taxes but I admit I vote for BREC stuff and I am an ABSOLUTE retard for voting for the COA tax and the Stelly Plan.
That said,
anyone remember when BR got its first casino? Our education woes were DONE. Something like 21-22% of revenue from the boat(then a second boat) were going STRAIGHT TO EDUCATION.
A riverboat casino was going to make BR teachers the highest paid in the state, our schools the best in the state, and so on. I'm old enough to remember this bullshite to get it approved. Where's that money been going for last 20 years?
This post was edited on 7/24/17 at 11:26 am
Posted on 7/24/17 at 11:11 am to tigerinthebueche
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Restore the faith and trust of the tax payers and then come ask for more money.
Again: explain to us in detail how they do this. The bill was ironclad to the dollar how and where the money was to be spent.
What more, exactly, do you want done? Explain point by point your plan for "gaining our trust".
And stick to the state govt.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 11:14 am to mikelbr
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anyone remember when BR got its first casino? Our education woes were DONE. Something like 21-22% of revenue from the boat(then a second boat) were going STRAIGHT TO EDUCATION. A riverboat casino was going to make BR teachers the highest paid in the state, our schools the best in the state, and so on. I'm old enough to remember this bullshite to get it approved. Where's that money been going for last 20 years?
Again, none of that wording was ever in the actual bill.
Can't be pissed at govt because the people were too lazy to read something they voted to approve.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 11:24 am to magildachunks
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Again, none of that wording was ever in the actual bill.
Don't "again" me muthafricka you. I was just giving a glaring existing example of tomfrickerry the politicians lobbying for the approval of the boat fed the public to justify such a sinful endeavor.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 11:42 am to magildachunks
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The bill was ironclad to the dollar how and where the money was to be spent.
It's not ironclad to the dollar.
Some money is allocated per legislative district.
Some money is allocated to projects not on the priority list. Some money can be spent on priority C projects before priority A projects.
It's not ironclad, there is maneuvering room for the governor, any governor to reward his friends and to penalize his enemies.
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Explain point by point your plan for "gaining
Just look at the past and you decide if state govt. has done a good job in marshaling their resources to our best advantage? That they have done a good job in planning and spending tax dollars where its needed most.
Just look at EBR Parish and you can't say the state has done what's need here. #0 years ago it was apparent that the I-10 I-110 interchange was not engineered properly. Cattle were falling off the bridge, people had to come off a three lane bridge and if they wanted to continue East they all had to merge down to one lane. The very fact that nothing has been done here says it all.
Now it's gotten worse and worse as traffic has increased. Now we are at a point where we need a new bridge in the metro area and not at New Roads/St. Francisville. Airline needs to be improved and some kind of by-pass is in order.
We've seen some progress widening 10 and 12 to our East and South, and these projects have helped, however, if you look at what EBR metro has and compare it to Caddo, Orleans and even Calcasieu you see we are way behind.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:00 pm to doubleb
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It's not ironclad to the dollar. Some money is allocated per legislative district. Some money is allocated to projects not on the priority list. Some money can be spent on priority C projects before priority A projects. It's not ironclad, there is maneuvering room for the governor, any governor to reward his friends and to penalize his enemies.
That is the definition of being ironclad as to exactly where and how the money is to get used. The information as to what each dollar is allocated for is there.
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Just look at the past and you decide if state govt. has done a good job in marshaling their resources to our best advantage? That they have done a good job in planning and spending tax dollars where its needed most. Just look at EBR Parish and you can't say the state has done what's need here. #0 years ago it was apparent that the I-10 I-110 interchange was not engineered properly. Cattle were falling off the bridge, people had to come off a three lane bridge and if they wanted to continue East they all had to merge down to one lane. The very fact that nothing has been done here says it all. Now it's gotten worse and worse as traffic has increased. Now we are at a point where we need a new bridge in the metro area and not at New Roads/St. Francisville. Airline needs to be improved and some kind of by-pass is in order. We've seen some progress widening 10 and 12 to our East and South, and these projects have helped, however, if you look at what EBR metro has and compare it to Caddo, Orleans and even Calcasieu you see we are way behind.
Ok.
But this is your response to my question of how they gain our trust back. You provided no answer to that question.
Exactly what must they do to gain back the trust? Give a detailed plan, to the dollar, of what they need to do.
And you must use 1986 money, not adjusted for inflation.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:19 pm to magildachunks
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That is the definition of being ironclad as to exactly where and how the money is to get used.
Does this sound as if it's ironclad?
"1) Fifty percent of the proceeds shall be dedicated to highway priority program projects classified as capacity projects in accordance with the department's definitions of such projects"
"(a) Not less than eighty-five percent shall be used for the construction of Priority A and B mega-projects designated in the 2015 Louisiana Statewide
Transportation Plan, of which up to thirty-five percent may be pledged as security for bonds issued for this purpose."
"Twenty-seven percent of the proceeds shall be dedicated to preservation projects in accordance with the department's definitions of such projects and shall be expended as follows:"
" The proceeds allocated pursuant to this Paragraph shall be divided between each legislative district at a rate of five hundred dollars per lane mile and shall be dedicated to projects within the Highway Priority Program at the direction of the member of the Louisiana Legislature for that district.
(ii) A member of the Louisiana Legislature shall have the authority to direct the member's respective allocation on an annual basis or reserve revenues for future project allocation within the member's current legislative term."
The Bill
This is far from ironclad. Ironclad would list the specific projects in order as to how they would be built. Ironclad would not be giving legislators equal funds and dictating how they are to be spent in each district.
Ironclad would give time frames as to when each project would start.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:22 pm to magildachunks
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But this is your response to my question of how they gain our trust back.
By demonstrating that they intend to use my tax dollars more efficiently, by cutting out waste, and by not using my tax dollars to reward or punish legislators; but to do what's right for our general welfare.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:23 pm to doubleb
Breakdown on every project and every dollar of the 50% in same post the bill was posted in
So...there's that
So...there's that
This post was edited on 7/24/17 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:25 pm to doubleb
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By demonstrating that they intend to use my tax dollars more efficiently, by cutting out waste, and by not using my tax dollars to reward or punish legislators; but to do what's right for our general welfare.
So what is your plan to do that? Not a general overview, but a point by point breakdown of which tax dollars are not being used properly and where you would rather it be used while also following federal and state guidelines for it
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:34 pm to doubleb
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If the priority is truly based on need then the BR area would have more projects in category A Sherlock.
That's what I'm saying, but you have your head so far up DOTD's arse you can't see it.
I posted a link to the mega projects list dumbass. I didn't create the list. On the list includes a new bridge for BR, adding lanes from the bridge to the split, adding an extra lane in both directions on I-10 between BR and Lafayette and a northern loop among other things.
What other MEGA projects to you have in mind for the Baton Rouge region?
You have no concept of how any of this works and you can't seem to either read or comprehend what the failed gas tax would have provided. You really aren't bright and it shows in your argument.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:39 pm to magildachunks
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So...there's that
I read that, but don't you see they are going to pick and choose from the list. All of priority A is going first, B second and so on.
Don't you see only 85% of 50% of the money is guaranteed to be spent on A and B. They might not even pick a BR project if the governor is mad at somebody.
Then they give legislators "ownership" of maintenance projects. I don't like that at all.
We have taxes going to highways, and roads now. Let that go to maintenance projects, I want 100% of any new taxes going to a list of programs that is written in stone just as it was done in 1989 with the TIMED deal.
I want to see ALL the new tax money going to roads, I want to see exactly which projects are going to be done, and I want to see approx. when they will start and finish. That's is ironclad.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:41 pm to Martini
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I posted a link to the mega projects list dumbass. I didn't create the list. On the list includes a new bridge for BR, adding lanes from the bridge to the split, adding an extra lane in both directions on I-10 between BR and Lafayette and a northern loop among other things. What other MEGA projects to you have in mind for the Baton Rouge region? You have no concept of how any of this works and you can't seem to either read or comprehend what the failed gas tax would have provided. You really aren't bright and it shows in your argument.
The real beauty is that he won't read nor consider any of this budget or that it will be used right, according to him, because "politicians can't be trusted".
But two years ago he was a loud proponent for the St. George budget that he swore would work, put forth by politicians. He swore that it was perfect and that we could trust that one.
For a city that didn't exist, and a budget plan that had no historical basis nor future plans for development. That budget was trustworthy.
And Bodi White wasn't going to funnel funds to his friends. According to this guy.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:43 pm to doubleb
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I read that, but don't you see they are going to pick and choose from the list. All of priority A is going first, B second and so on.
Don't you see only 85% of 50% of the money is guaranteed to be spent on A and B. They might not even pick a BR project if the governor is mad at somebody.
Then they give legislators "ownership" of maintenance projects. I don't like that at all.
We have taxes going to highways, and roads now. Let that go to maintenance projects, I want 100% of any new taxes going to a list of programs that is written in stone just as it was done in 1989 with the TIMED deal.
I want to see ALL the new tax money going to roads, I want to see exactly which projects are going to be done, and I want to see approx. when they will start and finish. That's is ironclad.
Next to each project listed is a set of numbers. Those numbers are the money to be allocated to said project.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:50 pm to Martini
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I posted a link to the mega projects list dumbass
And you posted a list to the Bill which does not tell you which of the projects are going to be built only that half of the money goes to these projects and that 85% of that 50% is going to category A and B. It doesn't say they are going to do the I-10 project for certain.
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You have no concept of how any of this works and you can't seem to either read or comprehend what the failed gas tax would have provided. You really aren't bright and it shows in your argument.
And you have no clue. You accept what people tell you, trust them to deliver, and I bet you get screwed more often than not.
There are multiple ways for the politicians to ruin this plan. Unlike the TIMED Plan, they do not list the specific projects. They allow legislators to control maintenance money. They enable pols to get in the middle of the process.
No, I'm not the dumbass, you are.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:52 pm to magildachunks
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Next to each project listed is a set of numbers. Those numbers are the money to be allocated to said project.
I saw that.
So tell me, which projects are going initially? Second?
Third?
When will they start?
Why is money not all going to the priority A projects, then B and so on?
I want all the revenues going to A, then B and on down the line in that order. That's ironclad.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 1:00 pm to magildachunks
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But two years ago he was a loud proponent for the St. George budget that he swore would work, put forth by politicians. He swore that it was perfect and that we could trust that one.
And you are full o chit, I didn't promise anything. All I said was I wanted an ISD, and if it took a city to get one then that's what needed to happen.
You think Bodie White could steal any more of my tax dollars than can Broome, the COA, and all the others are now. No way. These people are milking the cow and more and more evidence of that comes up every day.
An ISD for parts of BR is a good thing. You shouldn't have to be a city to have your own school district, but I didn't gin that up, people like Broome, James and others did.
And before its over, I think you're going to regret White was elected mayor.
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