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re: It's time we start calling "lobbying" what it truly is

Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:23 am to
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
71681 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:23 am to
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citizens united decision by Supreme court 5 to 4 says companies can buy Congress



Lobbyists existed before then, and will exist far into the future. Campaign dollars are important, but these fat fricks get free steak dinners, probably free hookers and blow, all paid for with cash money.
Posted by Paluka
One State Over
Member since Dec 2010
10763 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:24 am to
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KiwiHead


frick that, I want term limits for every one of these bastards. Jefferson was correct.
Posted by Seldom Seen
Member since Feb 2016
40848 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:24 am to
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Bribery and prostitution. In my opinion it's treasonous to put special interests above the good of the country and above the good of the people.

I don't particularly like Trump



Why would you not like TRUMP when TRUMP is the only one not taking their money?
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
28051 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:29 am to
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Jefferson was correct.


You mean Thomas Jefferson, the career politician?
Posted by dbeck
Member since Nov 2014
29454 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:33 am to
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Lobbyists are everybody's favorite boogeyman. People always hate lobbyists unless the lobbyists are arguing for their point of view, then lobbyists are great.

If they want to debate their side, fine. But Congressmen shouldn't be allowed to accept money, gifts, or favors in exchange for preferential legislation.

If you "lobbied" a judge in a court case you'd go to jail if you were caught. Government should be no different.

And no, I'm not for the exchange of money, favors, or gifts even if the legislation benefits me. Because it's only a matter of time before the other side offers more money.
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
20293 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:36 am to
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We will never move forward as a nation as long as legislation is sold to the highest bidder.


I completely agree, but I will say that the reason that the healthcare vote failed isn't due to lobbying by the insurance industry. I am sure they didn't help the matter, but it failed b.c of the republican coalition being fractured.

When tax reform fails, you can blame lobbying. Hell, you can blame lobbying for ACA. But this failure? 100% of republicans unable to gain consensus on anything.
Posted by Paluka
One State Over
Member since Dec 2010
10763 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:44 am to
Labeling him a "Career politician" is a gross misrepresentation, especially in today's world.

Jefferson warned against allowing people to serve long periods of time as members of congress. He accurately stated that to do so would result in a consolidation of power that would essentially result in a government that treated the colonists no different than did the King of England.

End of hijack.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
148099 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:50 am to
can anyone describe DC if all lobbying was removed and banned? or that they weren't all there to get rich, (are they all still doing insider trading on top of their slush funds?) what if... they were there to DO THEIR DAMNED JOBS, with TERM LIMITS, and serve the country and not themselves?
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:56 am to
I've got some bad news for the people who think "getting money out of politics" will somehow mean that powerful interests won't hold sway in government.

I mean, have people really thought that through because actually, precisely the opposite is true.

Let me ask you people something.

If campaigns were 100% taxpayer funded:

1. If Bill Gates picks up the phone and calls his senator, does the senator pick up? Will the senator pick up if you call?

2. If A large company says a certain policy will cause it to move 5000 jobs to a particular location, and calls that location's congressman and senator, do you think that senator picks up? Will that Senator pick up if you want to move your small business to his state?

3. Do you eat lunch on a daily basis and rub elbows with the powerful people in government? Do you think a lack of monetary donations means the powerful will stop doing that?

Money in politics is literally the ONLY WAY average citizens can get their voices heard beyond just the ballot box.

Be it the NRA, AARP, Unions, National Right to Life, Planned Parenthood, NARAL, Chamber of Commerce, Environmental Groups etc etc etc. ALL of those are ways 1,000,000 people each donating $20 can have their voices at least CONSIDERED along with the big dogs.

Yeah. The big dogs STILL get heard more.

But no money in politics means ONLY the big dogs get heard.
Posted by N.O. via West-Cal
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2004
7184 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 11:26 am to
"Are we really going to go through this thread acting as if the premise is real?


Please, Lord, no.

One man's "special interests" is another man's "fighting for the people"."

BS! Screw being able to band together as free people and petition the government for redress of grievances! (Sarcasm much intended).

Sure, there are probably some changes we can make but the problem in state legislatures and the halls of Congress comes down to this:

1. As long we are a free people, various of those among us will band together to seek influence with our government. Pro-life, pro-choice, sugar growers, enviro-types, you name it.

2. The principle of dispersed costs and concentrated benefits will tend to work against the overall common good because those few who benefit find it worthwhile to retain or increase their substantial benefits while the cost to any single member of the rest of us is small. Think the river pilot monopolies at the state level or the protectionist trade policies that enrich sugar growers while raising costs for consumers.

Even things as grand as representative democracy and freedom of speech and association have negative externalities.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
46644 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 11:49 am to
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It's time we start calling "lobbying" what it truly is by dbeck Bribery and prostitution. In my opinion it's treasonous to put special interests above the good of the country and above the good of the people. I don't particularly like Trump but it's fricking sad that people are worried about what happened in the Don Jr. meeting while actual treasonous bribery takes place in the open every day on capitol hill. We will never move forward as a nation as long as legislation is sold to the highest bidder. frick these pigs. /rant


All the folks that I talk politics with, be it liberal,conservative, independent , etc. that voted Trump, all voted based on Trump's pledge to drain the Swamp!

I think the 1st week Trump took office he should have come out guns blazing calling for term limits and lobby reform.

If Trump would have used that strategy the American people would've seen the career politicians complete outing themselves as the corrupt swamp dwellers we all know them to be and Trump would not be fighting all the BS he's fighting now.

The attention would be on the SWAMP!
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
46644 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 11:55 am to
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sn't it legal though? If it is legal... than where the complaint?


Who gives a damn if it's legal. Some of the most egregious laws are crafted by power hungry politicians influenced and bought by corporate lobbyists.

TERM M'Fing LIMITS have to become law before Trump leaves office or it will never happen!
Posted by AUbused
Member since Dec 2013
7785 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 12:09 pm to
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fricking your mom is legal too but I wouldn't recommend it.


I frickin' like this guy. My kinda poster.
Posted by Masterag
'Round Dallas
Member since Sep 2014
18854 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 12:24 pm to
https://www.wolf-pac.com

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Research proves what we have all been sensing for a long time: the root cause of so many of the problems that exist in our country (environment, education, healthcare, economy, freedom, privacy) is the way in which money is able to buy access and, therefore, disproportionately influence policy makers in America (1). Despite the writing on the wall, I do not believe that it’s too late, but I do believe that we must do every single thing in our power, right now, to correct this trajectory while we still can, or else the centuries-old experiment of democracy in America could fail. It is that serious, which is precisely why I made the difficult decision to upend my life as a highschool teacher and work on this plan full time.
Wolf-PAC has one goal: to get an amendment to the U.S. Constitution that will reverse the damage that has been done by the U.S. Supreme Court around campaign finance reform. The solution to this problem is an Amendment because the U.S. Constitution is the only authority above the High Court. Anything less is a bandaid, and I refuse to leave this growing problem to future generations.
An Amendment that addresses campaign finance reform is not a silver bullet. Few things in life are, but it is an extremely important step to moving our country in the direction it needs to go?—?towards elections that are free of the corrupting influence of money in our political system and fair enough that any citizen can run for office, not just millionaires and their allies. I want to live in a country where elected officials work to please their voters, not their donors; where candidates are encouraged to discuss the merits of their ideas, not the talking points given to them by special interests.
There are only two ways to propose a U.S. Constitutional Amendment, as stated in Article V of the U.S. Constitution:
? of each house of Congress can vote to propose an amendment, or
? of the states (34 states) can pass a resolution that calls for a national convention to propose an amendment.
Article V also states that either way the amendment is proposed, whether by Congress or a convention, it then goes back to the states for approval (aka “ratification”). The ratification stage requires ¾ of the states, 38 states, to vote in support of an amendment before it becomes part of the Constitution, ensuring that it must have broad public support from the American people.

This post was edited on 7/19/17 at 12:29 pm
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