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Pope Francis allies: Bannon use 'apocalyptic geopolitics' like islamic extremists
Posted on 7/13/17 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 7/13/17 at 2:36 pm
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An explosive article written by two close associates of Pope Francis has accused Steve Bannon, the chief White House strategist, of espousing an “apocalyptic geopolitics” whose roots are “not too far apart” from that of Islamist extremism.
The article in La Civiltà Cattolica, which is vetted by the Vatican before publication, lays out a scathing critique of “evangelical fundamentalism” in the US, arguing that, on issues ranging from climate change to “migrants and Muslims”, proponents of the ideology have adopted a twisted reading of scripture and the Old Testament that promotes conflict and war above all else.
It claims that fake religious arguments are being used to demonise segments of the population – particularly when it comes to migrants and Muslims – and to promote the US as a nation that is blessed by God, without ever taking into account the “bond between capital and profits and arms sales”.
Wonder if Bannon is going to call the Pope a Cuck
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Posted on 7/13/17 at 2:38 pm to tigerinDC09
Does this Pope ever stfu?
Go track down the pedophiles under your watch ya dick and stay out of politics.
Go track down the pedophiles under your watch ya dick and stay out of politics.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 2:42 pm to tigerinDC09
Dude it's 2017, no one gives a frick what the pope says or thinks.
He's just the king of the pedo brigade
He's just the king of the pedo brigade
Posted on 7/13/17 at 2:42 pm to tigerinDC09
When the Pope becomes a Christian, let me know and I'll care what he has to say about Christianity.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 2:43 pm to tigerinDC09
I don't like bannon (not for political reasons)
But He has to be the most libeled person on the planet. It is commonly said and printed by outlets that he is a leader of the white supremacist movement
And equating him with Islamic extremism (which is exactly the subtext of such a statement) is inflammatory rhetoric...and it's from the pope
Trump derangement syndrome.
But He has to be the most libeled person on the planet. It is commonly said and printed by outlets that he is a leader of the white supremacist movement
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And equating him with Islamic extremism (which is exactly the subtext of such a statement) is inflammatory rhetoric...and it's from the pope
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Trump derangement syndrome.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 2:45 pm to tigerinDC09
This is what happens when you name a boy Francis.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 2:45 pm to tigerinDC09
Winston Churchill used apocalyptic geopolitics in his famous "fight them on the beaches"...... not unlike Hitler
Posted on 7/13/17 at 2:47 pm to tigerinDC09
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The article in La Civiltà Cattolica, which is vetted by the Vatican before publication, lays out a scathing critique of “evangelical fundamentalism” in the US, arguing that, on issues ranging from climate change to “migrants and Muslims”, proponents of the ideology have adopted a twisted reading of scripture and the Old Testament that promotes conflict and war above all else.
It claims that fake religious arguments are being used to demonise segments of the population – particularly when it comes to migrants and Muslims – and to promote the US as a nation that is blessed by God, without ever taking into account the “bond between capital and profits and arms sales”.
I don't always agree with this Pope, but he's definitely not wrong about this. I often take offense to how scripture is used in demonizing Muslims. It's completely unnecessary. Muslims are already their own worst enemy. The actions of their own community already makes them feared in the public eye. There's no reason to drag scripture into this.
Jesus taught us that if someone were to strike us, that we should turn the other cheek. That forgiveness, not of our sins by God but each and every one of us forgiving the sins of our fellow man, even those egregious sins against ourselves is the key to salvation. He taught us to love our neighbors as ourselves. He also taught us that we should divorce the concerns of the state from the concerns of faith, that faith is up to the individual.
We should render unto Caesar that which is Caesars and judge not lest ye be judged.
The biggest subject of Jesus's criticisms was never the oppressive Roman regime, but the corrupt and oppressive ecclesiastical one. He railed against people who used religion and apparent Godliness to improve their social standing and lambasted people for forming lynch mobs to enforce God's justice.
We should listen to Jesus. As individuals, we should love everyone, even those, especially those, who hate us and/or have wronged us. However, that should not prevent our government from exercising common sense.
This post was edited on 7/13/17 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 7/13/17 at 2:49 pm to tigerinDC09
Aren't Popes supposed to be kinda sorta for their religion?
Posted on 7/13/17 at 2:51 pm to tigerinDC09
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written by two close associates of Pope Francis
Was it before or after the party dull of drugs and little boys?
Posted on 7/13/17 at 2:52 pm to tigerinDC09
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a Cuck
Maybe not a cuck, but The False Prophet would hit a little closer to home.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 2:57 pm to tigerinDC09
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Wonder if Bannon is going to call the Pope a Cuck
If he won't, I will.
This post was edited on 7/13/17 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 7/13/17 at 3:02 pm to tigerinDC09
Can we get his opinion on those alleged basement activities/rituals we commonly hear rumor of?
Posted on 7/13/17 at 3:27 pm to tigerinDC09
A bit more about Bannons gloomy worldviews.
1. Julius Evola
One place where Bannon is entirely consistent though, is his defense of “traditionalism” and “Judeo-Christian values” (I have a feeling that we might differ a little on just what those values are). One philosopher who Bannon seems to have an affinity for is Julius Evola, a little known Italian philosopher who worked in the early 20th century. A recent New York Times article gives us a primer on the philosopher’s work and life, and it is, let’s say, concerning.
Evola’s early life, steeped in Dada and anti-bourgeois, anti-church sentiment, seems to place him in the sphere of the left. But Evola is not a leftist. As Jason Horowitz writes in the Times article, Evola “published his most influential work, “The Revolt Against the Modern World,” which cast materialism as an eroding influence on ancient values. It viewed humanism, the Renaissance, the Protestant Reformation and the French Revolution all as historical disasters that took man further away from a transcendental perennial truth.”
So what was that “transcendental perennial truth” that Evola so craved? “Evola’s ideal order, Professor Drake wrote, was based on ‘hierarchy, caste, monarchy, race, myth, religion and ritual.’” If this all sounds sort of fascist, well that’s because Evola came to influence Benito Mussolini, who was an admirer of his work. The relationship did not run both ways however – Evola considered Mussolini to be too soft (!), “instead he preferred the Nazi SS officers” who, in addition to being more closely aligned with his philosophy, also “shared his anti-Semitism.”
Nowadays, Evola (the aural proximity to “ebola” seems to be no accident) has the explicit endorsement of Greece’s fascist, anti-Semitic Golden Dawn party as well as Hungary’s fascist, anti-Semitic Jobbik party.
2. Where did Steve Bannon get his worldview, from my book writes Neil Howe.
In geopolitics, we’ve witnessed the rise of isolationism, nationalism and right-wing populism across the globe. Geostrategist Ian Bremmer says we now live in a “G-Zero” world, where it’s every nation for itself. This story echoes the 1930s, which witnessed the waning authority of great-power alliances and a new willingness by authoritarian regimes to act with terrifying impunity.
In social trends, the two decades also show parallels: falling rates of fertility and homeownership, the rise of multi-generational households, the spread of localism and community identification, a dramatic decline in youth violence (a fact that apparently has eluded the president), and a blanding of pop youth culture. Above all, we sense a growing desire among voters around the world for leaders to assert greater authority and deliver deeds rather than process, results rather than abstractions.
We live in an increasingly volatile and primal era, in which history is speeding up and liberal democracy is weakening. As Vladimir Lenin wrote, “In some decades, nothing happens; in some weeks, decades happen.” Get ready for the creative destruction of public institutions, something every society periodically requires to clear out what is obsolete, ossified and dysfunctional — and to tilt the playing field of wealth and power away from the old and back to the young. Forests need periodic fires; rivers need periodic floods. Societies, too. That’s the price we must pay for a new golden age.
1. Julius Evola
One place where Bannon is entirely consistent though, is his defense of “traditionalism” and “Judeo-Christian values” (I have a feeling that we might differ a little on just what those values are). One philosopher who Bannon seems to have an affinity for is Julius Evola, a little known Italian philosopher who worked in the early 20th century. A recent New York Times article gives us a primer on the philosopher’s work and life, and it is, let’s say, concerning.
Evola’s early life, steeped in Dada and anti-bourgeois, anti-church sentiment, seems to place him in the sphere of the left. But Evola is not a leftist. As Jason Horowitz writes in the Times article, Evola “published his most influential work, “The Revolt Against the Modern World,” which cast materialism as an eroding influence on ancient values. It viewed humanism, the Renaissance, the Protestant Reformation and the French Revolution all as historical disasters that took man further away from a transcendental perennial truth.”
So what was that “transcendental perennial truth” that Evola so craved? “Evola’s ideal order, Professor Drake wrote, was based on ‘hierarchy, caste, monarchy, race, myth, religion and ritual.’” If this all sounds sort of fascist, well that’s because Evola came to influence Benito Mussolini, who was an admirer of his work. The relationship did not run both ways however – Evola considered Mussolini to be too soft (!), “instead he preferred the Nazi SS officers” who, in addition to being more closely aligned with his philosophy, also “shared his anti-Semitism.”
Nowadays, Evola (the aural proximity to “ebola” seems to be no accident) has the explicit endorsement of Greece’s fascist, anti-Semitic Golden Dawn party as well as Hungary’s fascist, anti-Semitic Jobbik party.
2. Where did Steve Bannon get his worldview, from my book writes Neil Howe.
In geopolitics, we’ve witnessed the rise of isolationism, nationalism and right-wing populism across the globe. Geostrategist Ian Bremmer says we now live in a “G-Zero” world, where it’s every nation for itself. This story echoes the 1930s, which witnessed the waning authority of great-power alliances and a new willingness by authoritarian regimes to act with terrifying impunity.
In social trends, the two decades also show parallels: falling rates of fertility and homeownership, the rise of multi-generational households, the spread of localism and community identification, a dramatic decline in youth violence (a fact that apparently has eluded the president), and a blanding of pop youth culture. Above all, we sense a growing desire among voters around the world for leaders to assert greater authority and deliver deeds rather than process, results rather than abstractions.
We live in an increasingly volatile and primal era, in which history is speeding up and liberal democracy is weakening. As Vladimir Lenin wrote, “In some decades, nothing happens; in some weeks, decades happen.” Get ready for the creative destruction of public institutions, something every society periodically requires to clear out what is obsolete, ossified and dysfunctional — and to tilt the playing field of wealth and power away from the old and back to the young. Forests need periodic fires; rivers need periodic floods. Societies, too. That’s the price we must pay for a new golden age.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 3:44 pm to tigerinDC09
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evangelical fundamentalism” in the US
Just lazy leftism.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 9:28 pm to tigerinDC09
I just got around to reading about this. My God. This is way worse than anything having to do with Bannon. Even the most left-wing Jesuits in America would never spout such rank, amateurish anti-American bigotry.
Crux: " Article by pope’s confidantes adds little to understanding Trump’s America"
Antonio Spadaro and Marcelo Figueroa are close confidantes of Pope Francis, hand-picked by him to run important Vatican media outlets. So like with much that Francis does, he uses his subordinates as attack dogs to say what he really means but is afraid to say publicly because he knows it will hurt his popularity.
These guys seemed most upset at CatholicMilitant.com. They went after Michael Voris. Michael Voris!
Church Militant: " Vatican Advisor Attacks Church Militant"
Rorate Coeli: " For the record: The Anti-American Pope - two of Francis' closest confidantes attack US, American conservatives in Pope's own journal"
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Crux: " Article by pope’s confidantes adds little to understanding Trump’s America"
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If Jesuit Father Antonio Spadaro was not the editor of La Civiltà Cattolica, his recent attack on the “ecumenism of hate” he diagnoses in the United States never would have been published in that venerable journal.
Indeed, had such a commentary on the theological roots of contemporary American politics been submitted to the Jesuit magazine America, the authors would have been invited to give it a major re-write, or better, to choose another topic altogether on which they had some expertise.
Wrong on Protestant history, ignorant of contemporary Catholic life, tendentious in its analysis, patronizing in tone and damning with faint praise the very policies of the Holy Father it seeks to defend, it is hard to understand what ambitions were had for a piece that does not even rise to the level of mediocrity.
Antonio Spadaro and Marcelo Figueroa are close confidantes of Pope Francis, hand-picked by him to run important Vatican media outlets. So like with much that Francis does, he uses his subordinates as attack dogs to say what he really means but is afraid to say publicly because he knows it will hurt his popularity.
These guys seemed most upset at CatholicMilitant.com. They went after Michael Voris. Michael Voris!
Church Militant: " Vatican Advisor Attacks Church Militant"
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Father Antonio Spadaro, S.J. is Editor-in-Chief of La Civiltà Cattolica, considered the official voice of the Vatican and whose contents are reviewed and approved by the Vatican Secretary of State before publication. Spadaro is also one of Pope Francis' closest associates and an influential advisor. In an article titled "Evangelical Fundamentalism and Catholic Integralism in the USA: A Surprising Ecumenism," published in the current issue of the journal, Spadaro goes on the attack against American conservatives, Evangelicals and President Trump, and laments "Catholic integralists" who allegedly insert politics into their work of saving souls.
Rorate Coeli: " For the record: The Anti-American Pope - two of Francis' closest confidantes attack US, American conservatives in Pope's own journal"
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The article was written in Civiltà Cattolica, the journal considered the official voice of the Vatican, and its diplomatic department (the Secretariat of State), and authored by two of the Pope's own closest confidantes, Fr. Antonio Spadaro SJ (the editor) and Argentine Presbyterian Pastor Marcelo Figueroa (shockingly, the editor of the Spanish-language edition of the journal).
Due to its unprecedented nature, and the direct attack it makes on the United States, its current administration (including President Trump and Steve Bannon, one of the President's highest advisors), American Evangelicals, Conservative Catholics in the United States (and Europe and Africa, concerned with the rise of Islamism), and even on a specific website and person (Church Militant and Michael Voris), the article's overreach is nothing if not breathtaking.
The Civiltà site is down at the moment, so before any item is changed, this is what was originally published:
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Posted on 7/17/17 at 9:46 pm to tigerinDC09
This Pope is all about defending Islam.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 6:19 am to tigerinDC09
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Wonder if Bannon is going to call the Pope a Cuck
Why would you listen to anything this pope has side? shite the Catholics I know can't stand him.
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