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re: Brand New TD Dynasty League - Season 2
Posted on 12/26/19 at 3:01 pm to Gtothemoney
Posted on 12/26/19 at 3:01 pm to Gtothemoney
I'm fine with 12. The only problem I have is that we would need to find a way to distribute the disbanded teams fairly and also the picks that those teams traded. I guess you just incorporate that into the draft somehow.
Also, I do think we should transfer this league over to sleeper. They have a polling system that should make voting on things a little easier and cleaner.
Also, I do think we should transfer this league over to sleeper. They have a polling system that should make voting on things a little easier and cleaner.
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Posted on 12/26/19 at 3:05 pm to Gtothemoney
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On the Fence:
1. Deebz
2. Ttown
In if we stay at 14 teams
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The only problem I have is that we would need to find a way to distribute the disbanded teams fairly and also the picks that those teams traded.
Would still be on the fence with 12 teams until a fair player distribution is figured out.
This post was edited on 12/26/19 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 12/26/19 at 3:08 pm to TTownTiger
Ok. I think at least DVH or others have also said they prefer 14. That's probably the way it will go. Shouldn't be hard to find 2 more.
This post was edited on 12/26/19 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 12/26/19 at 3:33 pm to Peazey
I hate espn, so I’m good for a switch. Does sleeper hve an app?
Posted on 12/26/19 at 3:59 pm to TthomasJR
Vacate two teams, throw all players back
Subtract a starting position and bench position from each team, everyone throw two players back
All of those players go into a draft with the upcoming rookie class. Use the rookie draft order
League needs more parity and engagement. The bad teams are so bad and can’t catch up
Process with 12 teams, 2 flexes, 1 less bench
Subtract a starting position and bench position from each team, everyone throw two players back
All of those players go into a draft with the upcoming rookie class. Use the rookie draft order
League needs more parity and engagement. The bad teams are so bad and can’t catch up
Process with 12 teams, 2 flexes, 1 less bench
Posted on 12/26/19 at 4:22 pm to GynoSandberg
Agree on every point.
Posted on 12/26/19 at 4:29 pm to Gtothemoney
If we stay at 14 we’ll be dealing with looking for new owners every year.
Posted on 12/26/19 at 4:35 pm to Gtothemoney
Yep
Fine tune it with 12 who want to be here. Give them some better players, more free agents, better chance to win
I’d also vote to scrap weekly winners and add that money back to the pot
Fine tune it with 12 who want to be here. Give them some better players, more free agents, better chance to win
I’d also vote to scrap weekly winners and add that money back to the pot
Posted on 12/26/19 at 5:03 pm to TthomasJR
Sleeper is primarily built around their app. The platform as a whole is designed to be used from a smart phone.
Posted on 12/26/19 at 5:51 pm to GynoSandberg
Those are good arguments.
Posted on 12/26/19 at 7:31 pm to Peazey
I’m fine with all of that. I like 14 teams for dynasty, but I tend to agree having twelve teams will be better for this league
Posted on 12/26/19 at 7:44 pm to fratmonster
This is the only dynasty league I've ever been in so can't speak for which is better in regards to 12 vs 14 teams. Down for either option really.
I kinda like the weekly payouts. Got another league I'm in to adopt that. Gives everyone something to gun for week to week.
Have never used sleeper but heard good things. Down to switch if everyone wants to.
I kinda like the weekly payouts. Got another league I'm in to adopt that. Gives everyone something to gun for week to week.
Have never used sleeper but heard good things. Down to switch if everyone wants to.
This post was edited on 12/26/19 at 7:46 pm
Posted on 12/26/19 at 9:03 pm to Peazey
I have several thoughts about the reduction from 14 to 12 teams......(sorry quite long):
First off not sure this helps retention-just because we have 2 less teams doesn't mean it's any more likely that less teams will want to leave. In dynasty football people get frustrated and quit on a situation, happens in every league over time....it's not for everyone. Sometimes you mortgage future and injuries kill you or rebuild goes south and you don't hit on picks. Every time we've needed to we've been able to find people to take over a team quickly, I still have a guy that will take over a team pretty quickly if needed. A few of us know each other in real life, but reality is this is always going to be a problem long term-we aren't a bunch of home town buddies....we are a dynasty league of random people on a message board for the most part (there isn't as strong of a tie to keep someone engaged).
Secondly, I don't like the idea if we go to 12 to reduce bench size and/or starting requirements. That makes the league more shallow and tilts the scales to the folks that already have the CMCs and Barkleys of the world-doesn't make it any more likely that a team in the bottom half will get back on track. All it does is increase variability and advantage teams who have built strong teams have. If we go to 12 I think we should add 2 roster spots to each team not reduce....do you really want a dynasty league where people can stream QB and TE off the waiver wire, becomes more like redraft IMO. This shifts balance from needing more top end stars and less depth (as you'll be able to pull from the wire). Sort of stinks for me because I've been trading higher end pieces for depth The teams at the bottom aren't that far off from being competitive-once you get in the playoffs anything can happen especially with injuries. Tyler Higbee, Breshad Perriman, and Kenyan Drake were top 5 players at their position during playoff weeks this year. This 2020 draft will shake a lot of things up especially at RB position, teams you think are good to great now will have a lot of holes once these rookies get placed.
I don't see any fair way to do a player distribution from 2 teams using the draft. I should keep my mouth shut as I have 5 first round picks that I have been strategically stock piling over the last few years in a rebuild....but what about the teams that traded away their firsts to me? Not fair to them as TTT pointed out as they didn't know what was at stake. This makes these first much more valuable. Just remember if you have a dispersion draft you are tipping the scales the other way significantly by letting someone grab DeAndre Hopkins with the first pick in a rookie draft-he's a top 5 startup piece and worth 3 1sts...not fair to the TTT and Thoms of the world who built strong teams already (and this is coming from the guy who again would benefit most from this). I don't want to win based on some dispersion draft, I want to earn it. This happens and I can promise people get pissed and league falls apart.
We need to set the draft order now through lottery so we can start shopping for teams, or make a decision about reduction so we can keep this thing active and moving. Regardless of if we go 14 or 12 some of us own those teams pics for those teams that would be going away....but we still need to know their draft slot because it's only fair that we get to still make the picks.
Ultimately the people who want to leave didn't do so hot and already traded off their draft pics so they don't see light at the end of the tunnel. That's honestly pretty shitty, I wouldn't leave a league when I already mortgaged part of future. I like the leagues I'm in that force you to pay next years dues to trade a 1st-it's smart because it keeps people locked in. If you are a really bad team you should be excited for next season because you get a stud in rookie draft but if you robbed peter to pay paul and it didn't work out-that's when people want to quit.
Sorry to be long winded, and thanks if you read all the way through...wanted to get all that off my chest.
First off not sure this helps retention-just because we have 2 less teams doesn't mean it's any more likely that less teams will want to leave. In dynasty football people get frustrated and quit on a situation, happens in every league over time....it's not for everyone. Sometimes you mortgage future and injuries kill you or rebuild goes south and you don't hit on picks. Every time we've needed to we've been able to find people to take over a team quickly, I still have a guy that will take over a team pretty quickly if needed. A few of us know each other in real life, but reality is this is always going to be a problem long term-we aren't a bunch of home town buddies....we are a dynasty league of random people on a message board for the most part (there isn't as strong of a tie to keep someone engaged).
Secondly, I don't like the idea if we go to 12 to reduce bench size and/or starting requirements. That makes the league more shallow and tilts the scales to the folks that already have the CMCs and Barkleys of the world-doesn't make it any more likely that a team in the bottom half will get back on track. All it does is increase variability and advantage teams who have built strong teams have. If we go to 12 I think we should add 2 roster spots to each team not reduce....do you really want a dynasty league where people can stream QB and TE off the waiver wire, becomes more like redraft IMO. This shifts balance from needing more top end stars and less depth (as you'll be able to pull from the wire). Sort of stinks for me because I've been trading higher end pieces for depth The teams at the bottom aren't that far off from being competitive-once you get in the playoffs anything can happen especially with injuries. Tyler Higbee, Breshad Perriman, and Kenyan Drake were top 5 players at their position during playoff weeks this year. This 2020 draft will shake a lot of things up especially at RB position, teams you think are good to great now will have a lot of holes once these rookies get placed.
I don't see any fair way to do a player distribution from 2 teams using the draft. I should keep my mouth shut as I have 5 first round picks that I have been strategically stock piling over the last few years in a rebuild....but what about the teams that traded away their firsts to me? Not fair to them as TTT pointed out as they didn't know what was at stake. This makes these first much more valuable. Just remember if you have a dispersion draft you are tipping the scales the other way significantly by letting someone grab DeAndre Hopkins with the first pick in a rookie draft-he's a top 5 startup piece and worth 3 1sts...not fair to the TTT and Thoms of the world who built strong teams already (and this is coming from the guy who again would benefit most from this). I don't want to win based on some dispersion draft, I want to earn it. This happens and I can promise people get pissed and league falls apart.
We need to set the draft order now through lottery so we can start shopping for teams, or make a decision about reduction so we can keep this thing active and moving. Regardless of if we go 14 or 12 some of us own those teams pics for those teams that would be going away....but we still need to know their draft slot because it's only fair that we get to still make the picks.
Ultimately the people who want to leave didn't do so hot and already traded off their draft pics so they don't see light at the end of the tunnel. That's honestly pretty shitty, I wouldn't leave a league when I already mortgaged part of future. I like the leagues I'm in that force you to pay next years dues to trade a 1st-it's smart because it keeps people locked in. If you are a really bad team you should be excited for next season because you get a stud in rookie draft but if you robbed peter to pay paul and it didn't work out-that's when people want to quit.
Sorry to be long winded, and thanks if you read all the way through...wanted to get all that off my chest.
Posted on 12/26/19 at 9:54 pm to DeathValleyHeros
I don’t think it’s a good thing people got turned off so quickly and quit. And there are still more who are wishy washy. I also don’t think teams quit bc of their team’s situation. I think they got tired of the league and format. It may be easy to find owners but any dynasty league with high turnover never lasts. We should aim to retain the owners we have and find ways to keep them engaged. 12 teams would mimic more of a redraft but I don’t think that’s a bad thing for this league
Secondly, reducing rosters is just an idea to freshen up some rosters, have a little more meat in FA, and increase trading. FAAB actually becomes somewhat valuable. It’s still going to be every teams two worst players hitting the pool. It’s not going to cause a massive shift in competitive balance as the teams with the really good players will still be really good. As it is depth does not win this league even with 14 teams. Either way this is just a suggestion
RE: player draft
You can limit the amount of players each team can pilfer from the two teams to one player per team. Meaning if you took hopkins you cannot take another player who isn’t a rookie. In turn this will also push rookies down the board. Ya gotta pretend there is no rookie or vet designation on a player in the draft and you’re just pulling from a pool of players. People can also still keep the picks they acquired even with 12 teams
There’s gonna have to be compromise from everyone. Nothing we do will please every party. Just gotta do it for the betterment of the league. I do see your points and would hope everyone would care enough to express an opinion
Secondly, reducing rosters is just an idea to freshen up some rosters, have a little more meat in FA, and increase trading. FAAB actually becomes somewhat valuable. It’s still going to be every teams two worst players hitting the pool. It’s not going to cause a massive shift in competitive balance as the teams with the really good players will still be really good. As it is depth does not win this league even with 14 teams. Either way this is just a suggestion
RE: player draft
You can limit the amount of players each team can pilfer from the two teams to one player per team. Meaning if you took hopkins you cannot take another player who isn’t a rookie. In turn this will also push rookies down the board. Ya gotta pretend there is no rookie or vet designation on a player in the draft and you’re just pulling from a pool of players. People can also still keep the picks they acquired even with 12 teams
There’s gonna have to be compromise from everyone. Nothing we do will please every party. Just gotta do it for the betterment of the league. I do see your points and would hope everyone would care enough to express an opinion
Posted on 12/26/19 at 10:21 pm to DeathValleyHeros
Upvote DVH. Agree with pretty much everything and was going to comment on the bad teams being so bad.
I feel like having all my players next year plus another good rookie draft puts me right back into competition.
Nothing else to add. Gonna let your comments stand apart.
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The teams at the bottom aren't that far off from being competitive
I feel like having all my players next year plus another good rookie draft puts me right back into competition.
Nothing else to add. Gonna let your comments stand apart.
Posted on 12/27/19 at 2:07 am to Gtothemoney
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re: Brand New TD Dynasty League - Season 2Posted on 12/5/19 at 2:59 pm to DeathValleyHeros Maybe put all the players of those 2 teams back into the pool and have a 7 round draft when we do the rookie draft. That adds your 3 slots. Same draft order as we would have with the results of the lottery.
This is what I mentioned about a month ago.
This seemed to be some sort of compromise by adding roster slots and going to 12 teams.
I don’t have a great answer about the teams that were accumulating draft picks. And I definitely understand your point.
This post was edited on 12/27/19 at 2:12 am
Posted on 12/27/19 at 2:48 am to Gtothemoney
One thing I'll put out there that I would be willing to do if my unique situation is the sticking point....
I could offer a complete reversal of 2 trades that I wouldn't have done had I known a shift to 12 teams was coming (because roster spots become even more precious in which I already have tough cut decisions coming). At least to give them the option since these two first round pick deals were done right at trade deadline. We obviously cant make them do it but I could give the option to them now if we decide to go this direction (maybe this helps keep TTT as well).
If TTT would prefer pick 13 back with Brandin Cooks and Damien Harris for Tyler Lockett and Jonnu Smith we can flip that (as with dispersal players included it makes the pick more valuable to have). TTT would also get his 4th back from me in this deal, and dont see why anyone would object to him getting his late 3rd back from Deebz who would be dissolved-ultimately a late 3rd was just a throw in before and would be quite a bit more valuable in this dispersal plus rookie draft (Deebz doesn't need it). This would make his draft whole again and seems fair to me.
I would also be willing to reverse the Dak and Gallup for Corey Davis, Hakeem Butler, and pick 9 (I think that is what it amounted to) to None if he'd like. I wouldn't be willing to reverse his 2nd back in Matt Ryan for Darnold and a 2nd made by his predecessor however.
I am not willing to reverse the Amelia Julio trade as that was before the season started and pick amounts to lottery (among other things that have changed).
If we go to 12 and include dispersal players and add 3 roster spots as opposed to reduce, this may be a good compromise since my Deebz (2nd) and LE (1st) picks dont impact others as much since those are the 2 teams being redacted and in those deals....players I traded to them are actually going back into player pool and are valuable (Adam Thielen and James Washington).
Otherwise all of this is moot point if we keep 14 and dont change roster construction-no reason to offer flips as nothing has changed since these trades regarding league landscape were made before fantasy playoffs.
To summarize, at least None and TTT would have the option to retain their firsts if that's the main sticking point in the redaction of LE and Deebz to 12 and adding 3 roster spots by dumping players in dispersal draft.
I could offer a complete reversal of 2 trades that I wouldn't have done had I known a shift to 12 teams was coming (because roster spots become even more precious in which I already have tough cut decisions coming). At least to give them the option since these two first round pick deals were done right at trade deadline. We obviously cant make them do it but I could give the option to them now if we decide to go this direction (maybe this helps keep TTT as well).
If TTT would prefer pick 13 back with Brandin Cooks and Damien Harris for Tyler Lockett and Jonnu Smith we can flip that (as with dispersal players included it makes the pick more valuable to have). TTT would also get his 4th back from me in this deal, and dont see why anyone would object to him getting his late 3rd back from Deebz who would be dissolved-ultimately a late 3rd was just a throw in before and would be quite a bit more valuable in this dispersal plus rookie draft (Deebz doesn't need it). This would make his draft whole again and seems fair to me.
I would also be willing to reverse the Dak and Gallup for Corey Davis, Hakeem Butler, and pick 9 (I think that is what it amounted to) to None if he'd like. I wouldn't be willing to reverse his 2nd back in Matt Ryan for Darnold and a 2nd made by his predecessor however.
I am not willing to reverse the Amelia Julio trade as that was before the season started and pick amounts to lottery (among other things that have changed).
If we go to 12 and include dispersal players and add 3 roster spots as opposed to reduce, this may be a good compromise since my Deebz (2nd) and LE (1st) picks dont impact others as much since those are the 2 teams being redacted and in those deals....players I traded to them are actually going back into player pool and are valuable (Adam Thielen and James Washington).
Otherwise all of this is moot point if we keep 14 and dont change roster construction-no reason to offer flips as nothing has changed since these trades regarding league landscape were made before fantasy playoffs.
To summarize, at least None and TTT would have the option to retain their firsts if that's the main sticking point in the redaction of LE and Deebz to 12 and adding 3 roster spots by dumping players in dispersal draft.
This post was edited on 12/27/19 at 3:05 am
Posted on 12/27/19 at 8:35 am to DeathValleyHeros
My only strong-ish opinion is that I would not want to reduce roster size. I could see and support reducing the starting line-up size and going from 14 to 12 teams, but I would want to keep the roster size at 20.
Our roster size is already on the smaller end for a dynasty league. There needs to be a little bit of the extra leeway to stash long term players and to stash injured players through their injury and still maintain a starting lineup.
Reducing teams from 14 to 12 should reduce the owned player pool enough, for a first step at least, to liven up free agency and waivers during the year.
Our roster size is already on the smaller end for a dynasty league. There needs to be a little bit of the extra leeway to stash long term players and to stash injured players through their injury and still maintain a starting lineup.
Reducing teams from 14 to 12 should reduce the owned player pool enough, for a first step at least, to liven up free agency and waivers during the year.
This post was edited on 12/27/19 at 8:36 am
Posted on 12/27/19 at 8:36 am to DeathValleyHeros
I personally am not worried about getting back into this draft. I traded my picks at the deadline in an attempt to win this season and I will attempt to do it again next season if in the same spot. I am not screaming foul for my benefit.
My only issue is that there are non playoff teams that don't have 1st round picks this season. Do those teams act as aggressively trading away their picks last season if they know this years draft, which was already stacked, becomes even more loaded? If the league gets all owners on board, then I am good to go. But if any owners feel they are getting cheated because they made moves previously without knowing what was at stake, then I gotta side with them.
How many useful players will come from the disbanded teams? 10-15? Maybe the first 5 will be very good players. Maybe the last 5 will be borderline flex guys or solid bench/depth guys. What would be the argument against two drafts this offseason? The regular rookie draft in which all traded picks are upheld since thats what all owners knew they were getting into when trading picks. Then another, one round draft for disbanded teams' players - open to all teams with draft order determined by final season standings or regular season record or whatever the league agrees to. All players not drafted go to the waivers. Would that be unfair to the teams that are already good since teams with bad records will get a high rookie draft pick plus another high disbanded draft pick?
I havent looked at disbanded teams rosters. So me saying that draft should only be one round is presuming there may only be 15 helpful players available in that draft. If its determined that there are a lot more valuable players available than 15, then make it a two round draft.
My only issue is that there are non playoff teams that don't have 1st round picks this season. Do those teams act as aggressively trading away their picks last season if they know this years draft, which was already stacked, becomes even more loaded? If the league gets all owners on board, then I am good to go. But if any owners feel they are getting cheated because they made moves previously without knowing what was at stake, then I gotta side with them.
How many useful players will come from the disbanded teams? 10-15? Maybe the first 5 will be very good players. Maybe the last 5 will be borderline flex guys or solid bench/depth guys. What would be the argument against two drafts this offseason? The regular rookie draft in which all traded picks are upheld since thats what all owners knew they were getting into when trading picks. Then another, one round draft for disbanded teams' players - open to all teams with draft order determined by final season standings or regular season record or whatever the league agrees to. All players not drafted go to the waivers. Would that be unfair to the teams that are already good since teams with bad records will get a high rookie draft pick plus another high disbanded draft pick?
I havent looked at disbanded teams rosters. So me saying that draft should only be one round is presuming there may only be 15 helpful players available in that draft. If its determined that there are a lot more valuable players available than 15, then make it a two round draft.
This post was edited on 12/27/19 at 8:39 am
Posted on 12/27/19 at 8:38 am to Peazey
Also, I would like to push to go slightly away from the top half/bottom half matchup method and go to the hybrid where you have 1 head to head and 1 against the league average for each week. I think it makes following the league more interesting on a week to week basis.
How it is now almost feels like best ball where I feel a tendency to set it and forget it.
How it is now almost feels like best ball where I feel a tendency to set it and forget it.
This post was edited on 12/27/19 at 8:39 am
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