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The real reason Muhammad Ali refused the draft

Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:13 am
Posted by RonLaFlamme
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2016
1720 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:13 am
The actual article is behind the WSJ paywall, but here is a repost. This was before my time, but this is very different from the commonly accepted narrative. Very interesting.

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The truth, though hard to make out under the thick moss of mythology, is that Ali refused induction not out of principle but from fear of disobeying Elijah Muhammad, who had stipulated that the champ not serve in a “white man’s war.”
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:30 am to
I couldn't care less. I would have avoided the draft as well.
Posted by Jorts R Us
Member since Aug 2013
14930 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:33 am to
Quack board
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
23965 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:36 am to
I wonder if Trumps bone spurs are ok?
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:37 am to
quote:


The truth, though hard to make out under the thick moss of mythology, is that Ali refused induction not out of principle but from fear of disobeying Elijah Muhammad, who had stipulated that the champ not serve in a “white man’s war.”


As soon as Ali became a Black Muslim he was shite in my eyes.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
28096 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:40 am to
quote:

fear of disobeying Elijah Muhammad, who had stipulated that the champ not serve in a “white man’s war.”


Also, Malcolm X had been killed a few years before for breaking with Elijah Muhammed....don't think that did not enter is mind.

Look, trying to draft Ali was a political ploy at the time.
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:40 am to
Don't care about people's rationale for avoiding an immoral institution supporting frivolous blood shed.


Good on Ali.
Posted by SavageOrangeJug
Member since Oct 2005
19758 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:43 am to
quote:

 Ali refused induction not out of principle but from fear 

Exactly.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:44 am to
Let's keep vilifying a guy that refused to fight in an unjust and immoral war, while the guy responsible for a lot of the carnage in Vietnam(Henry Kissinger) spent time in the Oval Office today.
Posted by airfernando
Member since Oct 2015
15248 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:45 am to
I'm more concerned about his lost soul.
Posted by TX Tiger
at home
Member since Jan 2004
35703 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:47 am to
quote:

The real reason Muhammad Ali refused the draft
What if everyone refused to participate in war?
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27058 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:53 am to
Different era.

Different time.

Different war.

Different Muslims.
Posted by SirWinston
PNW
Member since Jul 2014
83243 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 12:06 pm to
quote:

The truth, though hard to make out under the thick moss of mythology, is that Ali refused induction not out of principle but from fear of disobeying Elijah Muhammad, who had stipulated that the champ not serve in a “white man’s war.”



What's the problem? Vietnam was totally a bullshite war and any reason to avoid it was legit and admirable, including the belief that the Spaghetti Monster approves of the way that Vietnamese boil their rice noodles and so to attack them would be to attack the Holy Pasta himself.
This post was edited on 5/10/17 at 12:07 pm
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112793 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 12:46 pm to
My favorite quote from those days from Ali "I already contribute to the war effort. Every time I win a championship the govt taxes me enough to buy a tank."
Posted by tedmarkuson
texas
Member since Feb 2015
2592 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 12:53 pm to
quote:

is that Ali refused induction not out of principle but from fear of disobeying Elijah Muhammad, who had stipulated that the champ not serve in a “white man’s war.”


well it's to bad that Elijah Muhammad couldn't convince him that "rope a dope" while being effective as a strategy might not be in his best long term health interest.

i was in high school from 75-79 and i remember it like it was yesterday.

the forman fight the rumble in the jungle was when he first rolled out rope a dope.

really it was the ernie shavers fight that was the beginning of the end and followed by the two spinks fights and then ending with larry holmes

Holmes was a former Ali sparring partner and came in as an undefeated champion. The famed Mayo Clinic had found that Ali had “mild ataxic dysarthria,” a problem using the muscles required to coordinate speaking, and that he had trouble even conducting a basic finger-to-nose coordination test. Ali was beaten for eight rounds, even though Holmes had backed off and later cried about beating a man who had given him his start and probably never should have been in the ring. Dundee mercifully stopped the fight after the 10th round.

hard to watch.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
263331 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 4:38 pm to
Don't bother me, I'd have been in Canada myself.
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
30190 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 5:14 pm to
I can't imagine the courage it must have taken for a black man at that time to even have an opinion much less be outspoken as a worldwide figure while holding a very unpopular opinion.

Men like Ali, X and King are simply on another level and should be treated with reverence.

Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
27389 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 6:02 pm to
frick the Vietnam war.

Has history proven any war in U.S. history to be more worthless?

I can understand him being criticized at the time, due to misguided patriotic fervor, but in hindsight?

He should be lauded.

Did I say, frick the Vietnam war? If not, frick it.
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
35819 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 9:42 pm to
quote:

The Truth


Uh...maybe he had an awesome high paying fruitful boxing career laying ahead of him as the biggest celebrity on the planet...

And as Norm McDonald would say...

"Didn't want to die!"

"Cause...money was better than dying!"
Posted by texashorn
Member since May 2008
13122 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 9:55 pm to
I grew up during the era of Muhammad Ali, ABC and Howard Cosell.

The assertion in the OP assumes that Ali disagreed with the notion of not fighting for whitey, or dislike for white men in general.

That is a wild theory and even a half truth. Muhammad Ali did not like white people and he barely hid it.

Does anyone else remember it like this?
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