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The real reason Muhammad Ali refused the draft
Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:13 am
Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:13 am
The actual article is behind the WSJ paywall, but here is a repost. This was before my time, but this is very different from the commonly accepted narrative. Very interesting.
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The truth, though hard to make out under the thick moss of mythology, is that Ali refused induction not out of principle but from fear of disobeying Elijah Muhammad, who had stipulated that the champ not serve in a “white man’s war.”
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The truth, though hard to make out under the thick moss of mythology, is that Ali refused induction not out of principle but from fear of disobeying Elijah Muhammad, who had stipulated that the champ not serve in a “white man’s war.”
Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:30 am to RonLaFlamme
I couldn't care less. I would have avoided the draft as well.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:36 am to RonLaFlamme
I wonder if Trumps bone spurs are ok?
Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:37 am to RonLaFlamme
quote:
The truth, though hard to make out under the thick moss of mythology, is that Ali refused induction not out of principle but from fear of disobeying Elijah Muhammad, who had stipulated that the champ not serve in a “white man’s war.”
As soon as Ali became a Black Muslim he was shite in my eyes.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:40 am to RonLaFlamme
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fear of disobeying Elijah Muhammad, who had stipulated that the champ not serve in a “white man’s war.”
Also, Malcolm X had been killed a few years before for breaking with Elijah Muhammed....don't think that did not enter is mind.
Look, trying to draft Ali was a political ploy at the time.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:40 am to RonLaFlamme
Don't care about people's rationale for avoiding an immoral institution supporting frivolous blood shed.
Good on Ali.
Good on Ali.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:43 am to RonLaFlamme
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Ali refused induction not out of principle but from fear
Exactly.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:44 am to RonLaFlamme
Let's keep vilifying a guy that refused to fight in an unjust and immoral war, while the guy responsible for a lot of the carnage in Vietnam(Henry Kissinger) spent time in the Oval Office today.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:45 am to RonLaFlamme
I'm more concerned about his lost soul.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:47 am to RonLaFlamme
quote:What if everyone refused to participate in war?
The real reason Muhammad Ali refused the draft
Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:53 am to RonLaFlamme
Different era.
Different time.
Different war.
Different Muslims.
Different time.
Different war.
Different Muslims.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 12:06 pm to RonLaFlamme
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The truth, though hard to make out under the thick moss of mythology, is that Ali refused induction not out of principle but from fear of disobeying Elijah Muhammad, who had stipulated that the champ not serve in a “white man’s war.”
What's the problem? Vietnam was totally a bullshite war and any reason to avoid it was legit and admirable, including the belief that the Spaghetti Monster approves of the way that Vietnamese boil their rice noodles and so to attack them would be to attack the Holy Pasta himself.
This post was edited on 5/10/17 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 5/10/17 at 12:46 pm to RonLaFlamme
My favorite quote from those days from Ali "I already contribute to the war effort. Every time I win a championship the govt taxes me enough to buy a tank."
Posted on 5/10/17 at 12:53 pm to RonLaFlamme
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is that Ali refused induction not out of principle but from fear of disobeying Elijah Muhammad, who had stipulated that the champ not serve in a “white man’s war.”
well it's to bad that Elijah Muhammad couldn't convince him that "rope a dope" while being effective as a strategy might not be in his best long term health interest.
i was in high school from 75-79 and i remember it like it was yesterday.
the forman fight the rumble in the jungle was when he first rolled out rope a dope.
really it was the ernie shavers fight that was the beginning of the end and followed by the two spinks fights and then ending with larry holmes
Holmes was a former Ali sparring partner and came in as an undefeated champion. The famed Mayo Clinic had found that Ali had “mild ataxic dysarthria,” a problem using the muscles required to coordinate speaking, and that he had trouble even conducting a basic finger-to-nose coordination test. Ali was beaten for eight rounds, even though Holmes had backed off and later cried about beating a man who had given him his start and probably never should have been in the ring. Dundee mercifully stopped the fight after the 10th round.
hard to watch.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 4:38 pm to RonLaFlamme
Don't bother me, I'd have been in Canada myself.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 5:14 pm to RonLaFlamme
I can't imagine the courage it must have taken for a black man at that time to even have an opinion much less be outspoken as a worldwide figure while holding a very unpopular opinion.
Men like Ali, X and King are simply on another level and should be treated with reverence.
Men like Ali, X and King are simply on another level and should be treated with reverence.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 6:02 pm to RonLaFlamme
frick the Vietnam war.
Has history proven any war in U.S. history to be more worthless?
I can understand him being criticized at the time, due to misguided patriotic fervor, but in hindsight?
He should be lauded.
Did I say, frick the Vietnam war? If not, frick it.
Has history proven any war in U.S. history to be more worthless?
I can understand him being criticized at the time, due to misguided patriotic fervor, but in hindsight?
He should be lauded.
Did I say, frick the Vietnam war? If not, frick it.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 9:42 pm to RonLaFlamme
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The Truth
Uh...maybe he had an awesome high paying fruitful boxing career laying ahead of him as the biggest celebrity on the planet...
And as Norm McDonald would say...
"Didn't want to die!"
"Cause...money was better than dying!"
Posted on 5/10/17 at 9:55 pm to RonLaFlamme
I grew up during the era of Muhammad Ali, ABC and Howard Cosell.
The assertion in the OP assumes that Ali disagreed with the notion of not fighting for whitey, or dislike for white men in general.
That is a wild theory and even a half truth. Muhammad Ali did not like white people and he barely hid it.
Does anyone else remember it like this?
The assertion in the OP assumes that Ali disagreed with the notion of not fighting for whitey, or dislike for white men in general.
That is a wild theory and even a half truth. Muhammad Ali did not like white people and he barely hid it.
Does anyone else remember it like this?
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