re: Educate me on Climate Change

Fake News

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Climate is getting significantly warmer. We were 8 and 9 degrees above normal here in mobile in Jan and feb and broke records about 20 times. There is no dispute in this point.

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What is it ~ 1 degree increase over the past 100+ years?

1) It is a fact that climate changes. There is no debate that the Earth has been MUCH colder, and MUCH warmer than we are today, all without human interference

2) Scientists began asking for grants to study mans effect on the environment. The more dire the predictions, the more grants were awarded. Problem was, their computer models weren't even remotely close to the actual temps, 20 years later

3) Around 1998, temp data began leveling off, and in some areas got cooler. Despite the massive increase of CO2 in the atmosphere

3) So . . . . NOAA, THE SINGLE organization responsible for collecting data, began adjusting that data. And data that they had already archived. They don't deny it

4) They assigned temps to areas that have never had temps recorded. They changed actual temps recorded in historic newspaper accounts. They exchanged buoy temps for ship collected temps (known to include the heat from the ships engines). They created the theory of oceans as 'heat sinks', despite having no, zero, nada historic data on ocean temps at the depths they are claiming. They assigned sea ice levels, and thickness to a time when men were incapable of collecting such data

5) Scientists whose only access, was to the adjusted data released by NOAA, began raising alarms

6) But then, Hackers exposed emails from UK climatologists that proved they were undermining, and actually bullying skeptic climatologists

7) US govt scientists, working in US govt labs, refused to turn over raw data and methodology used in adjusting the raw data to the US Congress that pays them to do that work

8) A NOAA scientist upon his retirement blew the whistle on the US Paris presentation, And now it was knowingly and falsely written to show recent increases in warming. NOAA has admitted the need to revise the paper, in order to reflect more accurate data

So, in conclusion. The climate is changing, it always has. And those that support that man is responsible has admitted to assigning non-existent data, changing historic data, bullying skeptics, rebuffing scrutiny, and falsifying reports


Why would they need to do that? Unless they know its not actual conclusions, reached from the actual data?

The problem I have with the term "climate change" is the implication that there is another state that the climate can or should naturally exist in. If you claim we are in a period of climate change, there must be a history of climate equilibrium. There is no such thing, there is only climate change. It is not temporary, has.no beginning and will not end.

The climate is controlled by a network of systems that is infinitely complex.

Here is a great article about CERN's CLOUD experiment that describes how little we know. LINK

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In addition to releasing carbon dioxide, burning fossil fuels indirectly produces sulphuric acid, which is known to seed clouds. So, climate scientists have assumed that since pre-industrial times, there has been a large increase in cloud cover, which is thought to have an overall cooling effect by reflecting sunlight back into space. And they have assumed that this overall cooling effect has partially masked the climate’s underlying sensitivity to rising carbon dioxide levels.

The latest experiments suggest that it may have been cloudier in pre-industrial times than previously thought. If this is so, then the masking effect, and in turn the warming effects of carbon dioxide, might have been overestimated, says Jasper Kirkby, a physicist at the CERN, Europe’s particle-physics laboratory near Geneva, Switzerland, who led one of the experiments.

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We don't yet know enough about the climate to know what we don't know. Anyone who feigns certainty loses all credibility with me.

Look up Al Gore and Rush Limbaugh's theories. It will be somewhere in the middle.

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So my knowledge on this is basically limited to what you hear on the mainstream news. For those who think climate change is not an issue or is not real or not a big deal can you explain why you feel this way and what information you have to back up your sentiments. I'm MAGA big time, the environment is the one area where I lean liberal but I want to get better educated on this issue. What ya got?

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So, I believe in climate change, I believe that it is almost entirely caused by man, and I believe the effects are going to be unknown but most likely be very bad. (FYI, I also believe in nuclear energy, vaccines, and GMO crops.) So why do I believe in man-made climate change?

1) You do have to take one thing on faith. Scientists across a vast spectrum of disciplines (Forestry, Glaciology, Botany, Oceanography, Agriculture, Zoology, Geology and many others) are not lying to us that the earth is warming up at an unnatural rate just so they can trick out their Honda Civics. And the vast majority believe that the earth is warming up.

2) The reason why the earth is warming up is CO2. For well over 100 years scientists have known that extra CO2 in the atmosphere causes warming. It's such a well-established scientific principle, thousands of high school students prove it every year in science fair projects.

3) Ever since the industrial revolution, a butt-load of extra carbon dioxide has been added into the atmosphere and humans can be easily identified as the source. The reason is that burning fossil fuels give off a unique carbon isotope which can be easily spotted.

4) Scientists have ruled out every other plausible reason for the Earth's warming so far. It's not changes in the sun, the earth's orbit, volcanos, or deforestation. And until the climate skeptics come up a better answer, man made climate change is the best answer we have right now.

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So, I believe in climate change, I believe that it is almost entirely caused by man, and I believe the effects are going to be unknown but most likely be very bad. (FYI, I also believe in nuclear energy, vaccines, and GMO crops.) So why do I believe in man-made climate change?

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Another fool who has swallowed the lie hook, line and sinker because they refuse to look at anything but a micro fraction of the planet's history.

To address your pathetically silly points

1 - Those scientists if you want to call them that have abandoned the scientific method for profit. And they are indeed profiting. Global temperature history proves they are indeed lying, anyone who looks can see this.

2 - That's called a WAG. Wild arse Guess. The climate is infinitely complex and to ascribe it to one source, particularly in light of historical levels is idiotic.

3 - Yes. And since point two is a WAG, you're trying to make a theory fit by guessing. Hence point 1 and your abandonment of the scientific method.

4 - Back to point 1. Trying to make the theory fit by altering or excluding data which contradicts it.

You, like they seem to have missed we are in a cold period and appear to have bottomed out of the rapid cooling the last couple million years.

It is going to warm very rapidly at some point, that is a certainty, no one knows if we are in a small spike before cooling back a bit (see Minoan warming) or if this is a return toward a peak which is typically about 15 or so degrees C warmer.

Man cannot stop, or start this, he can only help it along a tiny bit.

Climate change is real and happens without humans (ask a geologist about the various ice ages). However, humans have sped it up by emitting CO2 and simultaneously cutting down the rain forest (which captures CO2 naturally).

The problem is the left have latched onto it to promote their cultural Marxist agenda, and that agenda is more of an imminent danger than the climate change itself.

In the end, I think the issue will solve itself -- that is, it will be solved by entrepreneurs like Elon Musk who is working on electric cars, as well as a concerted effort among international scientists to get fusion plants up and running (France is opening a fusion plant for test runs sometime in the 2020's).

In the meantime we need to start adopting more fail-safe, passively cooled nuclear plants. The plants we have now were designed in the 1940's and are old technology. There are better designs out there that do not rely on active cooling (which can fail). Go to youtube and watch some lectures about Thorium plants. It looks very promising and we already know how to do it today. The problem is getting them approved by the NRC and going through all the crazy red tape.

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Educate me on Climate Change
The sun penetrates our atmosphere and the rays get reflected back into space. The more co2 in the atmosphere the harder it is for the rays to escape back into space. So the heat sticks around more than it should and it warms the planet. It's called the Greenhouse Effect.

Most scientists say humans are to blame for increasing the co2.

Some say humans have little effect.

Some say humans do have an effect but the doomsday scenarios are greatly exaggerated.


I fall in the camp of the last one, that people are exaggerating the effects.

I think we should try to bring emissions down, but not go nuts with it where we hurt regular folks over it.

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Pretty good lead-in for a book on the topic.

It's fake news designed to cuckhold the United States.