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re: Educate me on Climate Change

Posted on 3/2/17 at 9:37 pm to
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 9:37 pm to
Well, actually, smog is a dangerous pollutant, but not a bad greenhouse gas
(I.e. It doesn't trap heat as well as co). Smog is bad, but for different reasons.

Cancer alley is arguably not caused by the plants, but by our rampant alcoholism, poor diets, sedentary lifestyle, and drinking water polluted with fertilizers which comes from the Mississippi River.
Posted by crewdepoo
Hogwarts
Member since Jan 2015
9718 posts
Posted on 3/2/17 at 9:49 pm to
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feel like you would get much better results by:

- Finding some literature on the topic.

- Seeking out some scientific journals and looking at what the aggregate findings seem to say?

- Find academic lectures online

- Look for aggregate data from experts in the field?

- Look at international science reports or what other countries have concluded.


Republicans like to be told what to believe, not figure it out by themselves.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
40253 posts
Posted on 3/2/17 at 9:50 pm to
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So my knowledge on this is basically limited to what you hear on the mainstream news.

For those who think climate change is not an issue or is not real or not a big deal can you explain why you feel this way and what information you have to back up your sentiments.

I'm MAGA big time, the environment is the one area where I lean liberal but I want to get better educated on this issue.



Do some independent research and you will find out that the USA was the first and only country to meet the Kyoto Protocol standards on CO2 emissions, and we did by embracing fracking and natural gas not "green energy." Germany and the EU embraced "green energy" and shunned nuclear, which left the EU way too reliant on Russian oil and natural gas imports which makes them vulnerable because Putin can cut off the gas anytime he wants. Then in order to counter that vulnerability, Germany ramped up its coal usage, and the EU, the USA, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and others tried to overthrow Assad to control the natural gas pipelines heading to Europe which lead to civil war. Both of those things increased global carbon emissions, and Europe's carbon credit system turned out to be a massive failure.

In addition to the pack of lies the UN, the democratic party and the liberal media have been selling about their solutions, we've passed the point of no return and "runaway" climate change is now inevitable. Which just makes the liberal solutions even more ridiculous. Yes, climate change is a real issue and yes we need to limit CO2 emissions but "green energy" pipedreams, international clusterf**k agreements like Kyoto and Paris accords, carbon credit, and carbon tax goals are not the way to do it. If you want to "fight global warming" you should support expanding the use of nuclear energy to fight climate change, natural gas to replace coal, and increasing the USA's coal and LNG exports to Europe so they don't have to be dependent on Russia and/or meddling in the Middle East. Since "runaway climate change" is inevitable you should support restoring La's wetlands to protect against future storms and capture CO2, building desalination plants and new reservoirs in Ca to lessen the impacts of the drought, and other projects like those that will lessen the impacts of "runaway climate change."
This post was edited on 3/2/17 at 11:56 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
263210 posts
Posted on 3/2/17 at 9:54 pm to
Its overhyped by drama queens. Its real, but dont nelieve the doomsday bullshite
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
40253 posts
Posted on 3/2/17 at 9:57 pm to
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Republicans like to be told what to believe, not figure it out by themselves.



Says the side that gets their talking points and political positions emailed to them.
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
22797 posts
Posted on 3/2/17 at 9:57 pm to
Posted by Ramblin Wreck
Member since Aug 2011
3899 posts
Posted on 3/2/17 at 10:02 pm to
I have less faith in those predicting climate change than I do those who have tried to predict how long we will have oil. Here is a summary of how well the scientific community has done on predicting peak oil -

Incorrect predictions of peak oil over the years
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
priapism survivor
Member since May 2011
14937 posts
Posted on 3/2/17 at 10:04 pm to
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Says the side that gets their talking points and political positions emailed to them.



You can tell they've never actually studied the issue. Who downvotes data?
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
40253 posts
Posted on 3/2/17 at 10:10 pm to
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Says the side that gets their talking points and political positions emailed to them.



You can tell they've never actually studied the issue. Who downvotes data?



The sheep that buy electric cars and think that solar panels will replace oil wells.
Posted by Asharad
Tiamat
Member since Dec 2010
5736 posts
Posted on 3/2/17 at 10:14 pm to
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Educate me on Climate Change


Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
68699 posts
Posted on 3/2/17 at 10:20 pm to
The climate has always changed, often far more quickly than now. About thirty years ago people on the left began to view it as a fruitful source of money for research as well as solutions. Because "catastrophe" sells, proponents and profiteers had to jet around the globe, expanding their carbon footprint, to herald our pending doom due to our growing carbon footprint. Interestingly, none of the catastrophes they predicted to have occurred by now have occurred, but they have grown rather flush with cash and carbon producing assets.

Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
68699 posts
Posted on 3/2/17 at 10:25 pm to
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Here in Louisiana we are called cancer alley, not because of all the plants dumping waste into the river and releasing whatever is burning into our atmosphere but because of delicious seafood, right

Obesity is strongly linked to cancer and LA is in the top three fattest states. I'd bet that if you measured the BMI along "Cancer Alley" you'd find a significantly higher rate of obesity and alcohol use than in the rest of the nation.
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 10:27 pm to
Not that 40 years is a relevant time period or you've provided any context, but now show Antarctic sea ice over the same period.
Posted by Asharad
Tiamat
Member since Dec 2010
5736 posts
Posted on 3/2/17 at 10:31 pm to
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but now show Antarctic sea ice over the same period.


Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
43700 posts
Posted on 3/2/17 at 10:51 pm to
Love all the scientist in here. I don't think anyone on this fricking board took a science class in junior high.

Climate is getting significantly warmer. We were 8 and 9 degrees above normal here in mobile in Jan and feb and broke records about 20 times. There is no dispute in this point.

We are leaving one of the greatest periods of climate stability in 2000 years.

Man made pollution has a a sigficant impact on this. The level and severity are somewhat in dispute. However, the current level of pollution is also protecting us from some of the issues (global dimming). For example in the weeks after 9-11 just the lack of air travel caused the temp to increase almost a degree in the US.

The real concern is that if the polar ice caps melt too fast the influx of fresh water may collapse the Atlantic oceanic conveyor which will result in a ice age.

Then there is the real question wtf can we do about it anyway and will it make a difference.

Answer: we are not going to do shite and what happens will happen
Posted by Asharad
Tiamat
Member since Dec 2010
5736 posts
Posted on 3/2/17 at 10:53 pm to
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Answer: we are not going to do shite and what happens will happen
This is spot on. We can't stop climate change. However we should minimize the amount of shite that we dump into the environment in an effort to prevent poisoning the only home humanity will ever have.
This post was edited on 3/2/17 at 10:54 pm
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 10:58 pm to


Posted by reo45
Member since Nov 2015
6362 posts
Posted on 3/2/17 at 11:01 pm to
All that smog you see in most industrial cities in China is not a big deal to the atmosphere. Here in Louisiana we are called cancer alley, not because of all the plants dumping waste into the river and releasing whatever is burning into our atmosphere but because of delicious seafood, right?

Posted by Asharad
Tiamat
Member since Dec 2010
5736 posts
Posted on 3/2/17 at 11:04 pm to
Posted by Asharad
Tiamat
Member since Dec 2010
5736 posts
Posted on 3/2/17 at 11:06 pm to
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Note that if you sum the Arctic and Antarctic, the sum is decreasing.
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