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Posted on 1/12/17 at 2:04 pm to redneck hippie
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They trust Fox News more than scientists that have dedicated their lives to research
So dedicated they manipulate data in the name of activism. Any threat so grave would be able to let the data speak for itself, while modeling wouldn't be so wildly inaccurate.
The only intellectually dishonest people are those that shun anyone with an opposing view, or at the very least, are skeptical of the "science". Hell, at one point 99.9% of scientists thought the Earth was flat and gravity didn't exist.
This post was edited on 1/12/17 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 1/12/17 at 2:05 pm to Iosh
quote:Earlier this week someone else made a similar assertion regarding a MedMal discussion. Lo and behold, when he linked the thread, it wasn't quite what he claimed.
Last time we discussed this you lasted two replies before giving up and posting snarky emojis
Posted on 1/12/17 at 2:08 pm to AUbagman
quote:very manipulation
So dedicated they manipulate data I the name of activism. Any threat so grave would be able to let the data speak for itself, while modeling wouldn't be so wildly inaccurate.
such inaccurate
wow
Posted on 1/12/17 at 2:09 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
Because never before in history has it been in the 70s in January in the South?
GTFO.
GTFO.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 2:11 pm to Iosh
On this board, anything that doesn't echo their thoughts is fake news and fudged data. None of this please this is a safe space.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 2:12 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
The world is warming up, very very slowly.
There is no legitimate enough evidence that man is causing this process. It is logical to assume we aren't HELPING it, but we don't have enough evidence to prove man-made global warming is worth the worry in terms of how much we gain from continuing the use of fossil fuel.
ALSO, to LSUTigersVCURams, get off your high horse unless you ride bicycles and recycle everything, and farm your own vegetables.
There is no legitimate enough evidence that man is causing this process. It is logical to assume we aren't HELPING it, but we don't have enough evidence to prove man-made global warming is worth the worry in terms of how much we gain from continuing the use of fossil fuel.
ALSO, to LSUTigersVCURams, get off your high horse unless you ride bicycles and recycle everything, and farm your own vegetables.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 2:14 pm to olddawg26
quote:Yep
On this board, anything that doesn't echo their thoughts is fake news and fudged data. None of this please this is a safe space.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 2:16 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
quote:
reminder that global warming is real
Posted on 1/12/17 at 2:16 pm to Iosh
Careful using the facts around here losh, especially on this topic.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 2:19 pm to TejasHorn
quote:Yep.
Careful using the facts around here losh, especially on this topic.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 2:20 pm to NC_Tigah
If you want to worry about something, at least make it something plausible.
Yellowstone going super-volcano or a solar storm destroying the electrical grid sending us back to the 18oo's. Those would certainly kill millions and there is not a damn thing anyone of us could do about it.
So, get that climate change crap off my lawn you hippie loser. This argument was over in the seventies.
Yellowstone going super-volcano or a solar storm destroying the electrical grid sending us back to the 18oo's. Those would certainly kill millions and there is not a damn thing anyone of us could do about it.
So, get that climate change crap off my lawn you hippie loser. This argument was over in the seventies.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 2:20 pm to TejasHorn
quote:
Careful using the facts around here losh, especially on this topic.
The fact that we don't have enough evidence to prove man is having a legitimate noticeable effect? Or the fact that it's simply warming up?
Posted on 1/12/17 at 2:22 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
quote:
and caused by human emissions of greenhouse gasses
Wrong.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 2:23 pm to Pax Regis
It's hotter than it's ever been because they invented the heat index. 90 degrees instantly became 100 degrees and people freaked out.
BTW, Record temp for Jan 11 was 84 set in 1898.
BTW, Record temp for Jan 11 was 84 set in 1898.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 2:24 pm to doubleb
quote:
Raise taxes
Don't forget hamstringing the economies of first world countries.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 2:25 pm to KiwiHead
quote:I can't stand it when people think that Louisiana has a monopoly on rapid temperature swings.
That's called winter in Louisiana.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 2:26 pm to olddawg26
quote:
One would be helping people like this board understand the actual theory and not the hockey graphs and what their cherry picked websites tell them. Knowledge passed along is power, even if no one actually does anything just simply putting down this insanely ignorant guard for a second and getting some help understanding it can do wonders.
You didn't answer the question. If global warming is real, and the need to fix it is dire, what needs to be fixed and how do we fix it? "Knowledge is power" is not an answer.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 2:27 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:You're right, I checked and it's not what I claimed. I used "snarky emojis" when it should've been singular. You lasted two replies and then dropped one snarky emoji. Mea culpa! LINK
Earlier this week someone else made a similar assertion regarding a MedMal discussion. Lo and behold, when he linked the thread, it wasn't quite what he claimed.
quote:
In what sense do you think oceanic outgassing is relevant when both the atmosphere and the ocean are seeing increased levels of CO2?
In what sense are the Vostok ice cores relevant when glacial-interglacial cycles max out at ~320ppm and we're already at ~400ppm (a natural analogue for which requries you go past the glaciation cycle entirely to the pre-Ice Age Pliocene)
Put another way, if temperature and not CO2 is the driver in the current climate change, and the ice cores show a temperature change of ~10° leading a feedback of ~100ppm CO2 by several centuries, why now, after barely 1° of temperature change in little more than one century, has the CO2 level already risen ~120ppm?
EDIT: I forgot to add a spiel about the isotopic ratio of C-13 but that can wait until later.
quote:
As temperature increases, and if CO2 is the sole responsible culprit for that increase, oceanic outgassing should not only be relevant, it should be potentially catastrophic.
The relevance is in both the sense of a cycle itself, and in its cause.
Are you trying to ask if man is contributing to increased CO2? If so, the answer is definitively 'yes'.
quote:
Why? This exercise shows that even under very friendly assumptions (e.g., exchange down to 3800m) a 1° rise in temperature results in a 10ppm increase due to outgassing. Which is dwarfed by the direct increase required to drive 1° in the first place (~100ppm).
This is to be expected because while the temp->CO2 feedbacks (and other feedbacks such as water vapor and ice-albedo) are positive (>0), they are not runaway (>1) since we don't live on Venus.
quote:
That exercise seems designed to demonstrate error in the premise that 400ppm CO2 is largely d/t increased temperature, rather than anthropogenic output.
Unless I'm missing something, the exercise does not seem to address hazard of outgassing with a coincident assumption of CO2 as sole cause of the presumed 1°C temperature rise.
quote:
That's what it was designed to do, but it also works to prove my point here. Since if anything a coincident increase in atmospheric CO2 would reduce, not increase, the outgassing feedback of a 1° temp increase.
quote:I will assume your confusion was genuine and elaborate on the last point: Henry's law assumes that a system is at equilibrium. If the temperature is raised and all else stays equal, then we would see considerable outgassing. But currently, the system is not at equilibrium, because the temperature is rising AND we're continuing to add more CO2 to the atmosphere. (It's actually NEVER strictly at equilibrium because of biological cycles and ocean stratification which drastically limit the application of basic high school chemistry like Henry's Law, but nobody reads multi-paragraph posts.)
Wut?
This post was edited on 1/12/17 at 2:29 pm
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