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This is a stat that should make every LSU fan uneasy
Posted on 11/30/16 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 11/30/16 at 4:07 pm
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But it is apparent that LSU hired Orgeron without regard for history -- his own, and the rest of major college football's since the 1960s.
It's entirely possible I've missed someone. But I've identified only 19 Power 5 schools in the past 50 years that hired a head coach who had been fired or forced out by another Power 5 school. Of those 19 coaches, one won a national championship. One won a conference championship. They are the same man, Gene Stallings, in the same season, 1992, at Alabama. That's it.
Only one coach won more than one division championship at his second-chance school. Yep, Stallings, who won four SEC West titles in seven seasons with the Crimson Tide.
Only five of the 19 have or had a higher winning percentage at their second-chance school than the one that fired them. Only two of them finished with a winning record at the second school: Stallings and Paul Hackett, who went 19-18 in three seasons at USC and was fired for, yep, not winning enough.
And the majority of schools who hired these second-chance coaches are the schools that never win championships. But that just supports the point that LSU has colored outside the lines here. They didn't go out and hire a proven winner, the way that schools in the upper echelon of college football typically do.
LSU expects Orgeron not to be the same coach who went 10-25 at Ole Miss from 2005 to '07. The Tigers want the Orgeron who went 6-2 as an interim coach at USC in 2013 and the Orgeron who went 5-2 this season. Although if he loses to rivals as he did with the Trojans (Notre Dame and UCLA) and this season with the Tigers (Alabama and Florida), they won't want Orgeron for long.
Maybe Orgeron will be another Stallings, who entered into the perfect second marriage of coach and school. Stallings had been fired by Texas A&M in 1971, and fired again by the Phoenix Cardinals only weeks before Alabama hired him.
If Orgeron can't win championships, he will discover that support among the fans and in the locker room is a foundation of Kleenex. All he need do is look west to Austin to Charlie Strong, a warm, compassionate man in a sport that is neither.
This post was edited on 11/30/16 at 4:10 pm
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Posted on 11/30/16 at 4:10 pm to tlsu15
Wait, so you're saying that his credentials don't really support his hiring as a head coach?
Posted on 11/30/16 at 4:11 pm to tlsu15
For the love of God please fricking stop!!!
Posted on 11/30/16 at 4:11 pm to tlsu15
There is no way to look at this hire (and Johnny Jones's ... and the Duke lacrosse scandal) other than what it is: an inept attempt by an arrogant, lazy AD who should be shown the door.
Long gone are the days when Emmert and Skip ran the show. We have regressed back to the LSU 'mean'.
Long gone are the days when Emmert and Skip ran the show. We have regressed back to the LSU 'mean'.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 4:12 pm to tlsu15
We live in an age where all coaches are equally qualified because we won't know how well they will do, until they're given a chance. Get with the program.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 4:12 pm to tlsu15
STATS were always for the kids that only got to get in the game a few times and had a decent go at it. however, they were normally second stringers whose parents used their stats to get them a starting position. you know.......those parents that always bring up the stats to the head coach to prove that their little johnie is statistically better than the others. meanwhile, little johnie knows deep down inside that he can't compete with the starters and that it was a fluke when he had the chance. but.....low and behold......his parents continued to try their best to promote johnie.
how's your parents nowadays? are they still regretting that you had to pull a wedgie out of your arse everyday? are they still pissed at that coach?
how's your parents nowadays? are they still regretting that you had to pull a wedgie out of your arse everyday? are they still pissed at that coach?
Posted on 11/30/16 at 4:14 pm to tlsu15
Stallings must have had a binder.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 4:14 pm to tlsu15
Eh, frick that stat. I hate random shite like that. This team controls its own destiny. Who cares what some random fricks did in the past 50 years.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 4:15 pm to tlsu15
Well on talent an defense alone he's gonna win more games than he did at Ole Miss. He'll almost definitely have a winning record overall.
Will he won more than Les? Remains to be seen
Will he won the West? Tough row to hoe as long as Uncle Nicky is up the road.
Will he win the SEC? See above
Will he win a Natty? See above
This would be true of anyone we hired. I stand by my contention that there isn't a reasonable name we could have gotten that would take more than 2/5 against Bama is Saban remains for that duration. He is the best there's ever been. Period.
If Ed can win the west once while Saban is at Bama and average 9 wins for the four years, this will be a success. No matter what or who we hired, we aren't going to be dominant in the Bama rivalry until Saban hangs up his whistle.
Will he won more than Les? Remains to be seen
Will he won the West? Tough row to hoe as long as Uncle Nicky is up the road.
Will he win the SEC? See above
Will he win a Natty? See above
This would be true of anyone we hired. I stand by my contention that there isn't a reasonable name we could have gotten that would take more than 2/5 against Bama is Saban remains for that duration. He is the best there's ever been. Period.
If Ed can win the west once while Saban is at Bama and average 9 wins for the four years, this will be a success. No matter what or who we hired, we aren't going to be dominant in the Bama rivalry until Saban hangs up his whistle.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 4:17 pm to tlsu15
Means zero in my book
Posted on 11/30/16 at 4:17 pm to tlsu15
Great, now I'm uneasy. Thanks!
Posted on 11/30/16 at 4:20 pm to tlsu15
good thing this is his 3rd chance
Posted on 11/30/16 at 4:21 pm to tlsu15
It's a complete joke that Ed Orgeron was hired. I don't need stats in support of my opinion that Coach Yaw Yaw should never have been let within 200 miles of this program
Posted on 11/30/16 at 4:29 pm to tlsu15
Nick Saban and Urban Meyer have done pretty well at their second stops.
This shite is stupid.
This shite is stupid.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 4:36 pm to tlsu15
Posted on 11/30/16 at 4:39 pm to tlsu15
Stallings was meh pre Alabama. Especially in the NFL
Pro -23-34-1
College- 97-61-2
Pro -23-34-1
College- 97-61-2
This post was edited on 11/30/16 at 4:41 pm
Posted on 11/30/16 at 4:44 pm to tlsu15
Not enough sample to make any kind of meaningful judgment.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 4:48 pm to tlsu15
I'll bet the others didn't have a binder and couldn't make gumbo.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 4:50 pm to tlsu15
So you're saying there's a chance.......... .. YES!!!!!!
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