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re: What is Donald Trump's stance on H1B visas?
Posted on 11/11/16 at 5:50 pm to Mo Jeaux
Posted on 11/11/16 at 5:50 pm to Mo Jeaux
That's bullshite. You've got the entirety of human knowledge at your fingertips and your using it to complain about others being smarter than you. Get off TD and go learn if you want to be in a better position to compete.
And Trump said repeatedly in the campaign that he wants to make legal immigration easier. Hopefully part of that involves making the H1B-to-citizen process easier. America should take in the sort of people who value education and self-sufficiency.
And Trump said repeatedly in the campaign that he wants to make legal immigration easier. Hopefully part of that involves making the H1B-to-citizen process easier. America should take in the sort of people who value education and self-sufficiency.
Posted on 11/11/16 at 5:50 pm to Street Hawk
From Numbers USA
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HIGHER SKILL IMMIGRANTS
Trump has been inconsistent in his statements on this category of permanent immigration and temporary visas. He has promised to tackle abuses in the H-1B visas but he has also talked about having a lot more merit-based immigration. We will keep a close eye on whether he veers toward the interests of employers over the aspirations of American workers and students with the same education and skills as the proposed "merit" immigrants.
Posted on 11/11/16 at 5:52 pm to Cosmo
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Highly skilled ones talking high salary jobs are the exact ones we need to kick out.
Let americans take dem jobs
The counter-argument is that there aren't any Americans qualified for these positions (I am talking tech jobs that require PhD's in computer science, math, engineering, etc.).
Posted on 11/11/16 at 5:52 pm to funnystuff
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That's bullshite.
What's bullshite?
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You've got the entirety of human knowledge at your fingertips and your using it to complain about others being smarter than you.
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Get off TD and go learn if you want to be in a better position to compete.
What the frick are you talking about? I'm employed, thank you, and I'm quite sure that I'm doing better than you are.
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And Trump said repeatedly in the campaign that he wants to make legal immigration easier. Hopefully part of that involves making the H1B-to-citizen process easier. America should take in the sort of people who value education and self-sufficiency.
Good.
Posted on 11/11/16 at 5:53 pm to AUstar
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The counter-argument is that there aren't any Americans qualified for these positions (I am talking tech jobs that require PhD's in computer science, math, engineering, etc.).
As I said, let's let H1B holders shop their services around, and we'll see how quickly this talking point is tossed in the trash.
Posted on 11/11/16 at 5:56 pm to funnystuff
They can't just revoke all H1b visas. One huge hit would be in biomedical research. That shite would grind to a halt. I'm in research and have always been in the minority in the labs (I'm a white dude).
Posted on 11/11/16 at 6:03 pm to Street Hawk
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What is Donald Trump's stance on H1B visas?
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All three CEOs presumably would have started working on H1B visas after getting their degrees from US universities before eventually applying for Green Cards and getting their permanent residencies.
I am not clear on what Trump's stance is on H1B visas? Is it restrict its use to only folks who got an advanced degree from a US university, make it harder to get, scrap it altogether and completely stop foreigners from working in these high-tech industries? Has he laid out his plan for high skilled legal immigration?
Here is CNN's summary of Trump's position:
Posted on 11/11/16 at 6:11 pm to Mo Jeaux
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So you don't really understand the H1B system. That's OK, trite quips devoid of substance can be fun.
I admittedly don't know that much about it beyond what I have read on the internet. What are your problems with it?
eta: i just did some quick digging, and I now agree that the system perhaps needs a little tweaking. But to do away with it would obviously be a dumb idea.
This post was edited on 11/11/16 at 6:19 pm
Posted on 11/11/16 at 6:12 pm to WeeWee
This is my wheel house and have been involved in immigration since 2009.
The H1B is a good/great program that brings in the best and brightest a majority of the times. You probably have more vetting with them than normal folks.
The issue is not with those trying to come here, but with companies doing everything they can to get around the rules. They are supposed to announce job openings for example before looking for H1B. Well these notices might be on a bulletin board on the 18th floor of a 40 floor building.
We need transparency first about what is available.
The H1B is a good/great program that brings in the best and brightest a majority of the times. You probably have more vetting with them than normal folks.
The issue is not with those trying to come here, but with companies doing everything they can to get around the rules. They are supposed to announce job openings for example before looking for H1B. Well these notices might be on a bulletin board on the 18th floor of a 40 floor building.
We need transparency first about what is available.
Posted on 11/11/16 at 6:17 pm to tccdc
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The issue is not with those trying to come here, but with companies doing everything they can to get around the rules. They are supposed to announce job openings for example before looking for H1B. Well these notices might be on a bulletin board on the 18th floor of a 40 floor building.
We need transparency first about what is available.
In tech, the job will be posted as an open position on the company website.
At all of the companies I have worked at, everyone that is hired has to be hired to an open job id.
Posted on 11/11/16 at 6:22 pm to hondurantiger
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In tech, the job will be posted as an open position on the company website.
At all of the companies I have worked at, everyone that is hired has to be hired to an open job id.
I am glad your company is out there, but even then that is not much in the way of trying to find current college kids, out of work IT workers, etc by simply putting a posting out there.
Posted on 11/11/16 at 6:45 pm to tccdc
The point is that the job is there for anyone to find. The H1B hire found it, why can't the native?
Posted on 11/11/16 at 7:22 pm to hondurantiger
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The point is that the job is there for anyone to find. The H1B hire found it, why can't the native?
Come on, that is not how it works. There are hundreds/thousands of companies whose only job is placing H1Bs in the US, J1s, etc. The candidates generally go there and then move on.
Posted on 11/11/16 at 7:42 pm to hondurantiger
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Sorry if there have not been enough whiteboys that could compete.
This is why Trump won
So you think that job would have gone unfilled if you didn't exist? Nope, some 'white boy' would have gotten that position, and his skills would have increased proportionality, according to the changes in the industry
Very racist of you, BTW
Posted on 11/11/16 at 7:48 pm to tccdc
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We need transparency first about what is available.
exactly
And with any job opening, people tend to alert friends and family when something comes up. Same goes in highly skilled H1B jobs. That's why you see declining interest/hiring in certain sectors
Posted on 11/11/16 at 7:51 pm to saintforlife
quote:Great post.
My wife and I are from India and have lived here for more than 13 years. We both came to the US in our early-20s and went to grad school here and between us have three graduate degrees in engineering and business. Both of us currently work in the high-tech industry on the West Coast on H1B visas and make good money. The companies we work for filed for our green cards a few years back, but due to per country/year limits on green cards and many high-tech workers being from India and China, citizens of these two countries have the longest waits for green cards. At the current rate our application is being processed, we are looking at another 5-7 year wait to get our green cards, and in the meanwhile have to continue working on our H1B visas.
We both have spent most of our adult lives in this country and is the only country where we have held full-time jobs and want to retire here. We have a 14 month old son who was born here also and we bought a house couple of years ago. So for all practical puposes we are living the American dream and are following the legal immigration process as it was intended. I just hope the Trump administration looks at cases like ours before making any knee-jerk changes to the H1B visa program that may put families like ours out of status, forcing us to return to our country of origin, when America is the real home to us at this point.
My girlfriend is here on an H1B visa. She came here for graduate school, then moved to NYC for a job after she graduated. She's uniquely qualified for her job and it would be very difficult to find a similarly qualified American citizen to fill her position. That is the exact purpose of an H1B visa.
I also work in a field that has a high number of H1B workers. The fact is that we just don't have enough American citizens who have the advanced science and technical training that many immigrants (mostly from Asia) have. If you look at the graduate programs that feed into my field, they're filled with foreigners.
Ending the H1B program would only shut off the stream of brainpower we have coming into our country from around the world.
If you look at recent Nobel Prize winners from America, 40% of them are immigrants. LINK
Finally, workers on H1B visas are not working for less than Americans would be paid. The law requires employers to pay a competitive salary to anyone here on an H1B visa. The only reason to hire an H1B worker is if you can't fill the position with an American citizen. It's a hassle and you don't save any money.
This post was edited on 11/11/16 at 7:52 pm
Posted on 11/11/16 at 7:54 pm to Street Hawk
Trump said during the debates that immigrants that bring value to our economy will have a place here. This was when specifically asked the question you just posed
Posted on 11/11/16 at 7:59 pm to guedeaux
quote:Yep. In my last workplace, I was the only person who was born in the US, until we hired a woman from Texas. About half were Asian, the rest were from eastern Europe, Israel, and one from Jamaica. Now, to be fair, many had been here long enough to get their green cards. I think a few of the older workers were naturalized. But many of them were here on H1B.
They can't just revoke all H1b visas. One huge hit would be in biomedical research. That shite would grind to a halt. I'm in research and have always been in the minority in the labs (I'm a white dude).
Posted on 11/11/16 at 8:06 pm to AUstar
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The counter-argument is that there aren't any Americans qualified for these positions (I am talking tech jobs that require PhD's in computer science, math, engineering, etc.).
Yeah there are. The Indians are just cheaper and the main reason for the H1B.
Posted on 11/12/16 at 1:18 am to Vlatket
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Yeah there are. The Indians are just cheaper and the main reason for the H1B.
I am skeptical. I heard a theoretical physicist (Michio Kaku) say that without H1B "there would be no Silicon Valley." That was his exact quote. Kaku is Japanese-American, so perhaps he is biased in favor of his own "people" (Asians). Kaku says there just are not enough "native" Americans who take high level courses in STEM. That is, people who get advanced degrees in the hard sciences like physics. Kaku does not strike me at all as a leftist progressive who is pushing affirmative action either. He has been a professor for like 30 years, so I am sure he's seen his fair share of graduate students.
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