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re: What is Donald Trump's stance on H1B visas?
Posted on 11/12/16 at 1:23 am to waiting4saturday
Posted on 11/12/16 at 1:23 am to waiting4saturday
quote:But that if Abu is a far more preferable candidate than everybody else? Should a person he forced to hire an inferior candidate?
This. Americans should be hired first! Not my fault Abu's country is a 3rd world shite hole.
And what if competency or, lack there of, is a major risk for a job? For example, I want the most competent people designing and building cars, expecially as we move toward driverless cars.
Should a company be forced to hire a person whose lower competence could make the design less safe?
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Posted on 11/12/16 at 1:33 am to Vlatket
quote:Many of the engineering fields have a majority of foreign born students in advanced study.
Yeah there are. The Indians are just cheaper and the main reason for the H1B.
Regardless, if those results in forcing companies to hire less qualified candidate, then anybody that supports this better also support Affirmative Action--because that's what it is essentially.
Posted on 11/12/16 at 1:49 am to AUstar
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Americans who take high level courses in STEM.
And yet we require set aside scholarships to ensure diversity
If scholarships went to Americans, I wonder how that would effect the numbers in STEM courses?
Posted on 11/12/16 at 1:55 am to buckeye_vol
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Regardless, if those results in forcing companies to hire less qualified candidate,
LOL
So Japanese baseball teams that bring over American athletes are only doing that because they are the most qualified?
LOL
Just because a job is filled by a non-citizen from any country, does not mean that there was not a qualified citizen available. In every instance it means there were other factors
In Japan, American players sell more tickets. Even during their declining years
In America, H1Bs are cheaper, and possibly meet diversity targets, or are accepting of lesser working conditions
Posted on 11/12/16 at 2:29 am to RobbBobb
quote:As it relates to their potential talent pool and the value your the team, yes. I don't know mean the most qualified overall, I mean most qualified of those who are interested in the job. In this case those that can't make it in the majors are the potential applicants to consider.
So Japanese baseball teams that bring over American athletes are only doing that because they are the most qualified?
quote:Sure qualification is rarely binary. Two people may meet the qualifications, but one is more qualified than the other. In that case, they would want the more qualified candidate.
Just because a job is filled by a non-citizen from any country, does not mean that there was not a qualified citizen available.
quote:So that measure of economy value is a variable in the determination of qualification for that job.
In Japan, American players sell more tickets. Even during their declining years
quote:Then of diversity, cost, and tolerance of working conditions are important, than those are qualifications for the job.
In America, H1Bs are cheaper, and possibly meet diversity targets, or are accepting of lesser working conditions
Posted on 11/12/16 at 2:36 am to buckeye_vol
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Many of the engineering fields have a majority of foreign born students in advanced study.
Regardless, if those results in forcing companies to hire less qualified candidate,
No one is talking about the foreign born folks who have earned their job based on performance. Only thing is, give them freedom to change jobs.
Most of the issues are with companies like InfoSys, and Tata that flood the visa market with hordes of questionable visa applicants that give companies loop holes to either have wildly cheap labor domestically (visa employee can't change jobs), or it allows an EASY transition to outsourcing.
Within the past 4 years, there has been over 100k American workers fired and replaced with cheap IT labor from Indian companies. They aren't just replacing these folks one by one over time, they are firing long-term employees and even making them train their replacements.
Is it the Indian workers faults? frick no. Of course not. They deserve to be treated better.
Its the exploitation of this system by the heads at these outsourcing companies, AND the heads of the companies using these tactics.
Posted on 11/12/16 at 2:45 am to Hog on the Hill
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The law requires employers to pay a competitive salary to anyone here on an H1B visa. The only reason to hire an H1B worker is if you can't fill the position with an American citizen. It's a hassle and you don't save any money.
Look, there is NO doubt there are legitimate needs for immigrant workers, and thats fine, but this "required to pay a competitive salary" is bullshite. They have devised a way to basically control the salary. All they have to do is set the salary, say no Americans will work for that salary, and then they can grab on to a visa worker or two...or three....
The companies essentially set the market on the salary.
Companies at the top of this list are the abusers
This post was edited on 11/12/16 at 2:46 am
Posted on 11/12/16 at 3:19 am to RobbBobb
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Just because a job is filled by a non-citizen from any country, does not mean that there was not a qualified citizen available. In every instance it means there were other factors
It is important to remember the companies that do this typically always have special interests. A nation with the best education facilities has a "lack of anything" is absurd.
They are "supposed to pay the same amount", but in all honesty they are paying less. It may not be in salary but they discounts (ie less/no benefits or 0 liability in more dangerous jobs)
Posted on 11/12/16 at 11:16 am to Mo Jeaux
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I'm sure there would be grandfathering provisions.
We certainly hope there is. We have too much at stake as a family.
Posted on 11/12/16 at 11:57 am to Street Hawk
like all Trump positions there is the position he took before 2016 and the position his handlers told him to take.
if one were to guess, it seems logical that Trump would oppose bringing skilled workers into the USA when we have unemployed people who could do the same work.
H1-B visas are about WTO corporate needs. H1-B visas fly in the face of America first.
We have all seen examples of H1-B visas for tasks that US workers could do with a modicum of training.
H1-B contractors make less than US workers. Its about profit.
if one were to guess, it seems logical that Trump would oppose bringing skilled workers into the USA when we have unemployed people who could do the same work.
H1-B visas are about WTO corporate needs. H1-B visas fly in the face of America first.
We have all seen examples of H1-B visas for tasks that US workers could do with a modicum of training.
H1-B contractors make less than US workers. Its about profit.
Posted on 11/12/16 at 12:16 pm to Street Hawk
I work in finance, and I have a couple of colleagues that I consider friends that are on this status. They are exceptionally bright and hard working and add tremendous value to the groups they work in. These aren't the folks that should be jettisoned from the American workforce outright. I do agree that there should be some tweaking (ability to shop around), in order for some of these folks to drive up their own value. Because right now, it's a BS system that in some respects prices many Americans out the market.
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