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re: Aborting children with down syndrome, would you do it?
Posted on 8/11/16 at 4:36 pm to CidCock
Posted on 8/11/16 at 4:36 pm to CidCock
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I hope that 100 years from now, the abortion era is looked back on similar to the Holocaust. It's among the worst things on the planet IMO.
"Yes little Slackster III, there was a time when it was perfectly acceptable to end the life of healthy, unborn children purely out of convenience."
Hope to have that conversation one day.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 4:38 pm to slackster
quote:Not that I disagree it should be illegal, but judging by the statistics on who is getting abortions, this will actually be the conversation:
"Yes little Slackster III, there was a time when it was perfectly acceptable to end the life of healthy, unborn children purely out of convenience."
Hope to have that conversation one day.
"Yes little Slackster III, crime rate used to be 1/4 of what it is now...."
Posted on 8/11/16 at 4:56 pm to lsupride87
Tough one for sure.
Having a kid with DS means your child never really becomes an adult. You are basically taking care of them like a child for the rest of your natural life. In addition after you pass away that same burden of care (cost/time) will likely fall on your other children if you have them or other family members for the rest of their lives as well. That's a tough one to sign up for ahead of time. If you have other kids you are basically signing them up to be future caregivers of the DS kid when you make the choice to keep it. Lots of factors involved.
Having a kid with DS means your child never really becomes an adult. You are basically taking care of them like a child for the rest of your natural life. In addition after you pass away that same burden of care (cost/time) will likely fall on your other children if you have them or other family members for the rest of their lives as well. That's a tough one to sign up for ahead of time. If you have other kids you are basically signing them up to be future caregivers of the DS kid when you make the choice to keep it. Lots of factors involved.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 5:01 pm to PhillyTiger90
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I would feel like an absolute a-hole but I've seen the amount of work and sacrifice it takes to raise someone with Downs compared to a normal child and I just couldn't do it
Yeah, I'd feel like an a-hole for doing it as well, but the kid who lived two doors down from me growing up had DS, and I saw how hard it was for them. My definitive moment though when I said I couldn't do it was when I was sharing a train car in China with an incredibly violent retarded person. I know if this ever happened to me, that experience in the train car would be circling through my mind and I couldn't do it.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 5:11 pm to roadGator
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I despise the practice and consider it the act of the irresponsible and lazy.
I consider those that have children they can't afford and live off welfare irresponsible and lazy.
I encourage the act.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 5:13 pm to mailman
When my wife was pregnant, we agreed to have neither baby tested in order to avoid this "decision".
Posted on 8/11/16 at 5:13 pm to mailman
Not a chance in hell. Down syndrome people are some of most pure and fun people you will ever spend time with. They don't generally think anything of being different.
Try volunteering for the special Olympics and see if you feel the same way about ending their life before it begins.
Try volunteering for the special Olympics and see if you feel the same way about ending their life before it begins.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 5:16 pm to mailman
i'd love to say no, but being honest, yes... i have all the respect and admiration in the world of parents with Down's kids, and as i can ascertain as someone with a cousin with Down's, most of them are a blast to be around, but i don't think i could do it...
Posted on 8/11/16 at 5:26 pm to mailman
My older sister has Down's and she is such an awesome person. There's no way my life would be the same without her. I would not abort. We're having our 2nd child in February and we're not doing any tests besides a gender scan at 16 wks
Posted on 8/11/16 at 5:47 pm to mailman
Down Syndrome people > Assholes who don't value their existence and believe they should be terminated.
This thread is the most disappointed I have ever been in the OT. Especially for a place you'd think a majority of people would be pro-life.
I would never want America to be anything like Eurotrash.
You'd think we'd have higher values and compassion.
I guarantee you the majority of Down Syndrome parents don't regret their child for one bit. a Burden.? There are far worse disabilities than a Down Syndrome person.. They are far more productive and bring value to life than a ton of other disabilties.. and even those others have value in the innocence of existence.
I'm thankful my parents aren't like the majority of those in this thread supporting the abortion of Down Syndrome.
I really think some of the ignorant should maybe watch Born This Way to get some perspective of parents who raise these types of people.. and how they thought it would be so much different.. when it's not.
This thread is the most disappointed I have ever been in the OT. Especially for a place you'd think a majority of people would be pro-life.
I would never want America to be anything like Eurotrash.
You'd think we'd have higher values and compassion.
I guarantee you the majority of Down Syndrome parents don't regret their child for one bit. a Burden.? There are far worse disabilities than a Down Syndrome person.. They are far more productive and bring value to life than a ton of other disabilties.. and even those others have value in the innocence of existence.
I'm thankful my parents aren't like the majority of those in this thread supporting the abortion of Down Syndrome.
I really think some of the ignorant should maybe watch Born This Way to get some perspective of parents who raise these types of people.. and how they thought it would be so much different.. when it's not.
This post was edited on 8/11/16 at 5:58 pm
Posted on 8/11/16 at 5:53 pm to LSU Tigershark
This is foolish reasoning on not doing prenatal testing.
What if your kid had a genetic disability and needed more care?
Are you willing go let her or him be born at a hospital who didn't have the resources for care?
That's the height of irresponsibility as parents.
Prenatal testing is just information. It's intrinsically neutral.
What if your kid had a genetic disability and needed more care?
Are you willing go let her or him be born at a hospital who didn't have the resources for care?
That's the height of irresponsibility as parents.
Prenatal testing is just information. It's intrinsically neutral.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 5:56 pm to mailman
quote:
Aborting children with down syndrome, would you do it?
I would not. The only way I'd abort a pregnancy is if my life was in danger and it was recommended by my doctor.
I've never been in this situation though, so I can't say anything 100%.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 6:08 pm to mailman
i have a child with ds and i thank god every day. she has taught me more than i could have ever imagined. always happy, smiles all the time. puts things into perspective about what is really important.
if she can be happy and smile no matter what, why can't i?
thats the way i see it.
if she can be happy and smile no matter what, why can't i?
thats the way i see it.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 6:13 pm to LSU Tigershark
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My older sister has Down's and she is such an awesome person
Just curious. Have you discusses who will provide care once your parents are gone? That is always the hardest part of the decision to me - knowing one day that your non DS kids may have to be the caregivers once you are gone. It affect just more than you lifetime - huge impact to other kids and family as well.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 6:14 pm to mahdragonz
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Prenatal testing is just information.
I will agree with this. I have no issues doing prenatal testing as long as it wasn't something that had risks to the baby (like amnios....they carry a risk of miscarriage).
Because of my age and my family history or a genetic disorder....we had extensive genetic testing done on me before we even started trying to conceive. Information is power imo and can help you make more informed decisions.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 6:19 pm to gamatt53
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Just curious. Have you discusses who will provide care once your parents are gone? That is always the hardest part of the decision to me - knowing one day that your non DS kids may have to be the caregivers once you are gone. It affect just more than you lifetime - huge impact to other kids and family as well.
My two younger siblings are mentally challenged(but don't have DS). When my parents pass away....they will have to live in a group home of with myself or my other brother. More than likely....they will both come live with me. I don't blame them for that though, just the hands life dealt my family and I would never wish that my mother aborted both of them.
Like others have mentioned...the same type of situation could happen with a perfectly healthy child that later on was in a debilitating accident or developed some disease that left them very disabled and forever dependent on others.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 6:23 pm to mailman
frick yea, who wants that shite
Posted on 8/11/16 at 6:26 pm to mailman
Not personally, but I don't think it's within the role of government to tell people how to handle a child with a severe genetic disorder. Peoples opinions vary and people have different living situations.
The issue should be left up to doctors and patients. Information is key. Extremes at both ends aren't interested in unbiased information. They prefer passion and anger, not science and reason.
The issue should be left up to doctors and patients. Information is key. Extremes at both ends aren't interested in unbiased information. They prefer passion and anger, not science and reason.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 6:28 pm to mailman
Some doc told my wife and I my 3rd child was highly likely to have downs and flat out asked what we wanted to do. I was taken back because I never thought of things in these terms. After a sleepless night, including tears I admit, I realized there wasn't really any question.. we would follow through. Now she is an amazing, beautiful, completely normal/healthy 10yo with so much going for her. And btw if I did have a kid with downs I would love them just the same.
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