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re: Obtuse Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice TD review thread (SPOILERS p5+)
Posted on 3/25/16 at 10:40 am to theunknownknight
Posted on 3/25/16 at 10:40 am to theunknownknight
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It's clear this is post killing joke batman and he's now a killer. I don't have an issue with that take.
God some part of me hopes Marvel absolutely butchers one of their flagship characters so others realize how much of an issue this is. Batman is NOT a killer. His entire persona is against killing and against guns. So the first iteration in this new universe just completely ignores that and it's ok?
So we basically don't get Batman. We get the punisher dressed as a bat. This is like in the first captain America movie if he had no morals and values at all and just did what he wanted. Would that too be fine?
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Posted on 3/25/16 at 10:45 am to BlacknGold
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This is like in the first captain America movie if he had no morals and values at all and just did what he wanted. Would that too be fine?
Two completely different characters.
Posted on 3/25/16 at 10:46 am to BlacknGold
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God some part of me hopes Marvel absolutely butchers one of their flagship characters so others realize how much of an issue this is.
Have you seen the X-Men movies? They've destroyed most of those characters to revolve everything around Wolverine. Emo-whiny Iceman instead of fun never take anything seriously Iceman? Storm - From Weather Goddesss of Africa to "The same thing that happens to everything else." These aren't flaghsip Marvel characters, but they are Flagship X-Men characters.
And don't get me started on Cyclops. One of Marvel's most interesting characters, their best leader next to Rogers, is reduced to being just "a dick." And that's it. He doesn't get to do anything and is never a leader. Trust me, there is a ton of frustration there, Singer just makes better overall movies so some of that, outside of Cyclops, is forgivable. I recognize that they are often good movies, and I even enjoy them, but I HATE the way many of the characters are handled.
Granted they did get some characters right.
This post was edited on 3/25/16 at 10:48 am
Posted on 3/25/16 at 10:52 am to BlacknGold
With everyone's problems with Batman killing in this movie, I haven't seen anyone mention that Superman kills in the film. Again.
Posted on 3/25/16 at 11:06 am to Fewer Kilometers
If you remove every dream sequence what do you lose from the movie? The vampire/bat/monster one made me cringe.
What happened to Wayne manor? Yet the cave is there?
Nearly every scene with Superman makes no sense
The "Martha" scene is laughable.
What happened to Wayne manor? Yet the cave is there?
Nearly every scene with Superman makes no sense
The "Martha" scene is laughable.
Posted on 3/25/16 at 11:08 am to BlacknGold
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The "Martha" scene is laughable.
That was the first moment I snapped. The second was after the only good scene in the movie when Batman goes and actually kicks some criminal asses, and then we were back to shite.
Posted on 3/25/16 at 11:10 am to GeauxTigerTM
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Batman, despite his brutality is NOT Punisher,
Well apparently in this world, he actually was "one bad day away from becoming him."
If there is a lack of setup for back story on any of these characters, this is the one thing I can't blame Snyder or the writers for. That's completely the WBs fault for wanting jump into this justice League world so quickly without taking the time to set this new world up with smaller movies.
This post was edited on 3/25/16 at 11:15 am
Posted on 3/25/16 at 11:24 am to jeff5891
This was probably commented on before but it seems like what would have really worked is a live version similar to the JLA animated series. If that's the case they should have hired Bruce Timm as a consultant or even the Director.
They could have started the movie right with the first time the Justice League came into contact with each other
They could have started the movie right with the first time the Justice League came into contact with each other
Posted on 3/25/16 at 11:25 am to jeff5891
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Well apparently in this world, he actually was "one bad day away from becoming him."
Which is my entire point in a nutshell..."in this world."
Why on Earth would DC want their iconic characters motives and actions to be scrutinized so much that they have to be defended by the use of, "well...in THIS iteration..."
We already have tons and tons of source materials that have made these two characters in particular Top 3 comic book heroes of all time. There is no reason other than hubris or a complete lack of faith in their own brand to do anything other than use the characters as is.
Say what you want, but I'm proof that this is a bad fricking move on DC/WB's part. I tend to like nearly everything...and I go into everything WANTING to like it. That goes triple for this franchise! Go back to somewhere early in the other thread and I'm in there taking people to task for prejudging the movie based on early RT critical reviews. My tune has changed because the way people have described the way the characters behave simply runs counter to who they are. I'm never down with that.
You want to make a movie about guys that behave this way...fine. Make a movie with new heroes and make them do whatever the frick you want. I'd probably be on board and like it! But don;t take characters we no in and out and change them so much so the core audience for these movies is openly questioning what the frick the studio was thinking.
Posted on 3/25/16 at 11:29 am to dcsbrtiger
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This was probably commented on before but it seems like what would have really worked is a live version similar to the JLA animated series. If that's the case they should have hired Bruce Timm as a consultant or even the Director.
They could have started the movie right with the first time the Justice League came into contact with each other
Quality Source Material
Yep...
If they were going to jump head first into universe building, then just do it without the worry of individual back stories. Find a reason for them all to come together, and then do that.
But...Bruce Timm clearly gets these characters, so there's issue #1.
Posted on 3/25/16 at 11:29 am to BlacknGold
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What happened to Wayne manor? Yet the cave is there?
I can't believe you people are stuck on this.
Why was Martha Kent working at a job? What led to this? Why didn't we get a Martha Kent movie showing us the progression?
Wayne Manor is in ruins. It's shorthand for "time has moved on and Batman has had a tough life".
And that the entrance to the Batcave was the best ever. If anyone has a problem with that, they're on crack.
And a side note... VERY glad that we didn't have an extended "LOOK AT THE BATMOBILE" and "HERE'S THE BATWING" moment. The vehicles just show up and we go with it.
This post was edited on 3/25/16 at 11:30 am
Posted on 3/25/16 at 11:34 am to BlacknGold
The "Martha" moment sounds to be ridiculously brutal 
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.Posted on 3/25/16 at 11:40 am to Fewer Kilometers
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I can't believe you people are stuck on this.
Why was Martha Kent working at a job? What led to this? Why didn't we get a Martha Kent movie showing us the progression?
Wayne Manor is in ruins. It's shorthand for "time has moved on and Batman has had a tough life".
Ok...let's take a step back for a second, because I'm genuinely curious as to your take on this whole idea.
If the idea with MoS was to evetually bring together everyone into the Justice League to then compete with Marvel's MCU, can you explain the rationale of having a middle aged Batman whose had a tough life and is now killing random thugs? I get that it can be argued that such a universe COULD exist given such and such...but what's the point of having THAT be the starting point for DC here? It doesn't have to be Year One Batman, but wouldn't you want a Batman in Clark's age bracket? One with an actual Wayne Manor? In short...all those things people already associate with the JL Bats?
Even way back when the idea of mirroring Dark Knight Returns with a middle aged Bats I was hesitant for this very reason. Not that I don't like THAT story, but that it seems like an arse backwards place to start...does it not?
This entire thing could not have been simpler, and yet whoever is to blame (DC, WB, Snyder, Goyer, Geoff Johns, etc) seem hellbent on making a cakewalk a death march...all for the sake of, I don't know...being different?
Posted on 3/25/16 at 11:41 am to GeauxTigerTM
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Why on Earth would DC want their iconic characters motives and actions to be scrutinized so much that they have to be defended by the use of, "well...in THIS iteration..."
lol. Have you read some of the extending universe comics for both DC and Marvel?That's exactly what they do.
The different universe versions will change the character slightly to show how they dealt with a tragedy differently or some other what if scenario. There is nothing wrong with having the 8th movie of batman move away from that one dimensional aspect of his character
This is why I had no problem with supes killing Zod in MoS. How else are you realistically going to stop Zod without some plotkai such as send him to the Phantom Zone or kryptonite. Those have become boring and stupid to use for escaping shite situations. Not to mention that we have seen this before too many times.
As long as they don't change a character into absolute pussy (I.e. Cyclops from xmen movies), I'm not going to care about that kind of thing
This post was edited on 3/25/16 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 3/25/16 at 12:00 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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If the idea with MoS was to evetually bring together everyone into the Justice League to then compete with Marvel's MCU, can you explain the rationale of having a middle aged Batman whose had a tough life and is now killing random thugs?
He's not killing random thugs. From what I saw he was blowing up vehicles and people while on missions.
I would think that their reasoning for using the older Batman is the same reason that they used the name Dark Knight in movies and have Superman and Batman fighting in the first place. They think that Frank Miller's Batman comics are the best selling and most famous versions, so they're latching onto them wherever they can. They wanted to match their Man of Steel Superman against the Dark Knight Returns Batman.
Posted on 3/25/16 at 12:03 pm to CBandits82
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The "Martha" moment sounds to be ridiculously brutal .
Meh, it's a comic book moment for sure.
There's a famous Batman story where a killer is about to off someone and then sees the Star of David hanging from his neck and suddenly realizes what he's become.
The "Martha" moment made my grown daughter cry.
Posted on 3/25/16 at 12:09 pm to CBandits82
The whole idea of having Senate hearings about the collateral damage incurred by Superman is a perfect example of how Zach Snyder doesn't get the character.
If you're gonna make a Superman movie, you need to read All Star Superman and rip off great chunks of it. There's the best version of Superman in it and the best version of Lex Luthor. And for God's sake, do the scene where Superman comforts the young Goth girl who is about to commit suicide. Don't have him standing in the middle of the U.S. Capitol when it blows up.
If you're gonna make a Superman movie, you need to read All Star Superman and rip off great chunks of it. There's the best version of Superman in it and the best version of Lex Luthor. And for God's sake, do the scene where Superman comforts the young Goth girl who is about to commit suicide. Don't have him standing in the middle of the U.S. Capitol when it blows up.
Posted on 3/25/16 at 12:17 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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The "Martha" moment made my grown daughter cry.
im really at a loss for you. I feel like you are stuck in the Matrix and are okay with not seeing the truth. You would rather live in the perfect world and ignore the reality of what is actually happening.
Posted on 3/25/16 at 12:23 pm to Fewer Kilometers
It was a stretch and very forced. He goes from thinking this guy is going to kill the entire world to thinking he's a hero all in 10 seconds. It was nonsense. Bruce should have known who Superman was. He knew that Superman was not an enemy at the present time. He told Alfred "How many heroes are left?". "How many stayed that way". The whole point was to stop the Knightmare from happening. To stop him from BECOMING a villain (which was awful anyway), and he completely dropped all of his reasoning because their moms have the same name? It was utter nonsense, and I blame Terrio for that one.
Posted on 3/25/16 at 12:27 pm to BlacknGold
quote:It saddens me that their are DC fans who actually will say they liked this movie because they want a JL movie so desperately. Because they want DC characters to have movies where they're kicking arse on screen. They will eat this shite up and say "the critics are idiots". All the while not realizing that we need something more. We deserve something better. What a sad day for DC, on so many levels.
im really at a loss for you.
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