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Posted on 3/17/16 at 1:02 am to Chad504boy
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Gigantic waste of money. Use a portable you can backfeed into house for emergencies
This. Just this.
I have a outlet with a special breaker that locks out the main when it's on, so no backflow. I hook a special plug to that outlet and I can power everything but the central air. I hav a portable AC and a window unit and it gets us through. Have two generators, main one is Gas, the untested one is Natural Gas and hooks up from the water heater gas line.
Total cost for all equipment both generators and wiring was maybe $1100. Takes me about ten to fifteen minutes to wheel generator out and gas it up and plug it in. So I generally only bother if power has been out more than a hour. (most of the time it's back quick)
Next house I may mount in a 6500 KW system, but I just do not see the need to pay $12000 for something I may only use for a total of a few hours a year.
Posted on 3/17/16 at 2:22 am to Napoleon
Have fun sitting in line for gas next hurricane
Posted on 3/17/16 at 6:47 am to jmarto1
Generacs are crap compared to most any other brand out there.
Posted on 3/17/16 at 7:30 am to SportTiger1
Install is expensive if gas meter is not near fuse boxes
Posted on 3/17/16 at 8:02 am to djangochained
I had a 15kw Generac, it had several problems along the way. Problems ranged from the gas regulator (the one inside the generac case), to the transfer switch, to the motor itself. Got rid of it and put in a 20kw Kohler. So far so good on the Kohler.
Norwall Power Systems is a good outlet to buy them.
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Norwall Power Systems is a good outlet to buy them.
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Posted on 3/17/16 at 8:21 am to RingLeader
Our place on the water is at the end of the line power wise and loses electricity fairly often and is one of the last places to get it back if there is damage to the system. The old owner owned a grocery store, so he had two industrial size freezers/fridges full of food. After losing the contents due to power outage, he installed a 15kw Generac. He also owned a HVAC company so he was also a Generac dealer. They hooked it up with an automatic on feature so the generator switches on by itself if we ever go 4 hours without power.
It's propane powered, and I've never had a problem with it in the 7 years we have had it. I think it's 9-10 yrs old total. I change the oil about once a year and run it every few months to keep the start battery topped off.
It's propane powered, and I've never had a problem with it in the 7 years we have had it. I think it's 9-10 yrs old total. I change the oil about once a year and run it every few months to keep the start battery topped off.
Posted on 3/17/16 at 8:31 am to MoreOrLes
quote:Standby generators also need a transfer switch - I presume OP's quote included one, but some of the internet ads don't include this (and they're not cheap).
Do you need a new gas line?
Maybe thats part of the cost.
OP never said what brand he was quoted. The "good" ones will cost more than the Generacs. I have Kohler air cooled - had it for 8-9 years. I'll never go back to the portable/backfeed/extension cord stuff.
When our power goes out (maybe 6 times a year - longest period was 8 days after Gustav), my power comes on in ~ 10 seconds.
Posted on 3/17/16 at 8:55 am to dawg23
Generac is the brand that I have in the quote
Posted on 3/17/16 at 9:04 am to jmarto1
Do you have a breakdown on pricing?
How much was the unit?
How much was the unit?
Posted on 3/17/16 at 9:13 am to arn
quote:
Have fun sitting in line for gas next hurricane
you don't gas up your vehicles before a storm?
usually, i'll stock up a bunch of gas cans just cause during the summer regardless.
Posted on 3/17/16 at 9:56 am to arn
quote:
Have fun sitting in line for gas next hurricane
quote:
Have two generators, main one is Gas, the untested one is Natural Gas and hooks up from the water heater gas line.
read much?
Posted on 3/17/16 at 9:59 am to Chad504boy
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you don't gas up your vehicles before a storm?
usually, i'll stock up a bunch of gas cans just cause during the summer regardless.
I always keep two five gallon jerry cans full of ethanol free for the equipment and around storm season I try to keep all four filled and may even bust out the 2 gallon cans.
After Katrina I had two plastic barrels I kept full of gas. (actually drove it to my house from Houston in the back of my pick-up, probably not the smartest idea, lol)
Even then, one of the generators I put a natural gas carburetor on. That guy just didn't read that line.
Posted on 3/17/16 at 10:33 am to Napoleon
For all the people that say it's a waste I say each scenario is different.
I consider ours one of the best investments we have made since moving to our farm 10 years ago. We are rural and at the end of an electrical run, we loose power pretty regularly. With the flooding last weekend we used ours for 46.3 hours it was very nice to have A/C, water (runs the well) and everything else.
Also for me I have 5 deep freezers with Beef, Seafood, Wild Game. Having the generator and a big storm gives me the piece of mind I won't have to do dump 5 deep freezers full of rotten shite in the back pasture after a storm (katrina we were without power for 30 days).
My generator could crap out tomorrow and I would still consider it an excellent purchase so far.
I consider ours one of the best investments we have made since moving to our farm 10 years ago. We are rural and at the end of an electrical run, we loose power pretty regularly. With the flooding last weekend we used ours for 46.3 hours it was very nice to have A/C, water (runs the well) and everything else.
Also for me I have 5 deep freezers with Beef, Seafood, Wild Game. Having the generator and a big storm gives me the piece of mind I won't have to do dump 5 deep freezers full of rotten shite in the back pasture after a storm (katrina we were without power for 30 days).
My generator could crap out tomorrow and I would still consider it an excellent purchase so far.
Posted on 3/17/16 at 10:41 am to jmarto1
That's way too expensive and 16kW is probably way overkill.
I run my whole 1500sqft house minus the AC on 7kW.
I run my whole 1500sqft house minus the AC on 7kW.
This post was edited on 3/17/16 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 3/17/16 at 10:43 am to Da Hammer
quote:
For all the people that say it's a waste I say each scenario is different.
Yep, and be ready to be the house everybody flocks to after a big storm.
Posted on 3/17/16 at 10:43 am to nguyt518
quote:
Do you have a breakdown on pricing?
How much was the unit?
Actually just received the email:
Listed below is what all is included in the proposal:
1. File all permits as needed for the installation
2. Order a brand new generator from Generac
3. Generac generator will be properly sized as per your power requirements the utility power is not available
4. Supply and Install new Generac whole house outdoor automatic transfer switch
5. Install new Generac Air Cooled Automatic Standby Generator
6. Supply and Install wires from meter to transfer switch
7. Supply and Install wires from transfer switch to the existing main breaker panel
8. Generator to be installed on a platform (premium option) and will be installed on cinderblocks on the
(standard option)
9. The generator will be installed on the side of the house or on the rear corner as the electric meter
10. Supply and Install new schedule 80 PVC conduit from new transfer switch to generator for power
11. Supply and install new wire through conduit to generator. This will run down the side wall and then to
where the generator is located
12. Supply and install new ¾” sch. 80 PVC conduit for communications for generator to transfer switch
13. Supply and Install new circuit for charging battery in generator
14. Supply and Install new dedicated gas line to generator to run up the side, through the attic, and then down
the side or rear wall of the house, and then connected to the generator from the gas meter. (The gas line will be
sized to code and equipment manufactory specifications).
15. Supply and Install new ball type gas shut off next to generator
16. Supply and Install new ball type gas shut off next to gas meter
17. Supply and Install new battery (sized to equipment manufactory specifications)
18. Start up (break in) procedure as per manufactory specifications by a certified tech 2 to 4 hours
19. Register generator with Generac for full warranty
20. File permits for all required permits (Building (if needed), Electrical, & Gas permit required)
21. Includes all labor, materials and taxes
22. Includes working with the local gas company to install the proper size gas meter for the house
23. Labor warranty is 5 years
24. Parts warranty is 5 years
quote:
Premium options. Option One. Total investment for the 20 KW Air Cooled Generac Generator Complete Installation … $15,738.00 or $158.00 per month Option Two. Total investment for the 16 KW Air Cooled Generac Generator Complete Installation … $14,566.00 or $146.00 per month Standard options. Option Three. Total investment for the 20 KW Air Cooled Generac Generator Complete Installation … $13,400.00 or $134.00 per month Option Four. Total investment for the 16 KW Air Cooled Generac Generator Complete Installation … $12,416.00 or $125.00 per month
Not the breakdown I was expecting to get.
Posted on 3/17/16 at 11:00 am to jmarto1
Well, what i see...
Thats the same (or close) generator i posted for $3600 earlier. They're charging 6-8k for install. As for the gas line, i had a line run several years ago from one side of my house to my back porch for $400.
overpriced IMHO.
quote:
16 KW Air Cooled Generac
Thats the same (or close) generator i posted for $3600 earlier. They're charging 6-8k for install. As for the gas line, i had a line run several years ago from one side of my house to my back porch for $400.
overpriced IMHO.
Posted on 3/17/16 at 11:02 am to jmarto1
I would get a competing quote. You want liquid cooled and the prices quoted are what most places are selling liquid cooled rather than air cooled.
Posted on 3/17/16 at 11:05 am to Da Hammer
Yea, I'm looking around for other quotes now. I need to get a couple for gutters on my house first.
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