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re: Is there anyone out there who doesn't want JJ fired?
Posted on 2/21/16 at 9:19 pm to chipdouglas96
Posted on 2/21/16 at 9:19 pm to chipdouglas96
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If not this year then when?
You and I aren't making the decision Chip.
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Posted on 2/21/16 at 9:41 pm to Tom Bronco
Hey look after year 1 I was encouraged. He took a bunch of stiffs and went 9-9... Never mind it was a 2 game improvement from the last year of Trent. I mentioned his past because that's his track record and that's all we have to go on.
The way you get one of those coaches is you make them an offer they can't refuse. You put $3 mil on Archie Miller and show him your serious about basketball. With the sec network the money is there and this could be a sleeping giant. We are in tv every time we play. Dayton is ranked and you can't find them in tv. We've had 3 of the top 50 players of all time, and we've averaged 11,000 in the building this year.
I'm sorry if you can't see your boy Jonny doesn't have it. This team has been a disappointment, but they haven't been taught no trained to do anything. With all the talent, and ability we are last in the league in defense. We cannot stop dribble penetration, we don't block out, we are horrible at ft's, we run no offense with ball movement, screening away from the ball, we cannot execute post entry passes. There is nothing that this team does fundamentally well. And that's coaching.
Ps. What's he saving all the timeouts for? He does know there is no bonus for the unused timeouts at the end of the year.
The way you get one of those coaches is you make them an offer they can't refuse. You put $3 mil on Archie Miller and show him your serious about basketball. With the sec network the money is there and this could be a sleeping giant. We are in tv every time we play. Dayton is ranked and you can't find them in tv. We've had 3 of the top 50 players of all time, and we've averaged 11,000 in the building this year.
I'm sorry if you can't see your boy Jonny doesn't have it. This team has been a disappointment, but they haven't been taught no trained to do anything. With all the talent, and ability we are last in the league in defense. We cannot stop dribble penetration, we don't block out, we are horrible at ft's, we run no offense with ball movement, screening away from the ball, we cannot execute post entry passes. There is nothing that this team does fundamentally well. And that's coaching.
Ps. What's he saving all the timeouts for? He does know there is no bonus for the unused timeouts at the end of the year.
Posted on 2/21/16 at 9:49 pm to chipdouglas96
Oh and there's a reason trealor left as soon as he got here... He knew right away he couldn't work for the circus.
Posted on 2/21/16 at 9:51 pm to GermantownTiger
No I want him to resign effective immediately
Posted on 2/21/16 at 11:09 pm to chipdouglas96
quote:First off he is not my boy. He is a man last I checked and I have no connection with him other than wanting LSU to play good basketball. I am just trying to be fair to him. Everyone acts like he is so much worse than every other coach we have had and it just isn't so.
'm sorry if you can't see your boy Jonny doesn't have it. This team has been a disappointment, but they haven't been taught no trained to do anything. With all the talent, and ability we are last in the league in defense. We cannot stop dribble penetration, we don't block out, we are horrible at ft's, we run no offense with ball movement, screening away from the ball, we cannot execute post entry passes. There is nothing that this team does fundamentally well. And that's coaching.
Ps. What's he saving all the timeouts for? He does know there is no bonus for the unused timeouts at the end of the year.
As for the bad things you pointed out I agree with most of them. But did you ever stop and think that they have been taught and coached how to do better but they just don't? The entire team is lazy on defense and sloppy with their passes. You don't think that they have been coached how not to do this? Five of these guys are blue chippers - Simmons, Victor, Blakeney, TQ and Sampson.
You don't think they knew how to play the game before they came here? Simmons was player of the year, Blakeney player of the year in Florida beating out Simmons, Quarterman was player of the year in Georgia and Victor and Sampson player of the year in Louisiana. They shouldn't need a lot of coaching.
Stopping dribble penetration and blocking out are effort pure and simple. Has nothing to do with coaching. Free throw shooting is practice and a mental thing. The rest I will give you CJJ should be held accountable for. But just fix those first three things and we win six to ten more games. As for the timeouts and in game coaching, the greatest college basketball coach of all time John Wooden used to sit with no expression on his face the entire game. He said when asked that if he hadn't done his job before the game started then nothing he did during it would change that.
Posted on 2/21/16 at 11:15 pm to Tom Bronco
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But did you ever stop and think that they have been taught and coached how to do better but they just don't?
Then he is not a GOOD coach, period.
Posted on 2/21/16 at 11:54 pm to pellietigersaint
Did Jay McCreary do this when Press Maravich was hired--don't recall. But I am sure few coaches have gone from head to assistant.
I doubt JJ would do this but it would be the only way I would want him to stay at LSU.
I doubt JJ would do this but it would be the only way I would want him to stay at LSU.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 7:18 am to chipdouglas96
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Hey look after year 1 I was encouraged. He took a bunch of stiffs and went 9-9...
I would say that by comparison to his other years that was his best coaching job, but that many still overvalue the job he did that year,just because Del-Piero played about and average of just under 10 minutes a game that year, and that always seems to be the qualifier to proves that point.
JOB3 was a high school All-American, Carmouche was a good player who started on a tournament team at Memphis, Hickey and Stringer though undersized had their moments and won some games for us and Coleman was underrated for what he brought to the team.
And the SEC was horrible that year, worse that it is now. Looking at the schedule and who we played, and our talent relative to the teams we played, I think we ended with right about the record we should have that year. So as it was not underachieving I thought it his best year here to date, but not the miracle some credit him with that year.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 8:38 am to Sir Cumfrence
quote:The coach we replace him with will be an "LSU coach" too. You can just root for him.
I want him, like every other LSU coach, to be successful every year, and then retire on his or her own terms. To me that is what is best for LSU.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 9:43 am to Tom Bronco
Tom, that's what coaches are supposed to do, hold people accountable for their performance. If someone is not doing their job, put them on the bench. Watch John Calapari, those kids don't perform, he yanks them out the game. The kids get the message. Jones just tolerates poor play, on both ends of the floor. Hell even my high school coach would tell us at timeouts, the next shot that comes from outside the lane, your out the game. Do you think any of us went out and jacked up a 30 footer? No, because we wanted to play.
Our play on Saturday(and for most of the season) is a supped up version of AAu basketball.
Tom do you not watch any college basketball? Name another team in the top 25 that is so pourous on defense and so undisciplined on offense?
Our players cannot feed the post, They never fake a pass make a pass. There are several times a game where simmons has his man on his back and we cant get it to him. If the man is on his back he is open. Simmons puts his hand out where he wants the ball, we just don't put ourselves in position to get it to him. That is elementary, we work on that in the CSAL. This is year 4, these are his guys. There is no reason we should be as fundamentally deficient as we are.
Our play on Saturday(and for most of the season) is a supped up version of AAu basketball.
Tom do you not watch any college basketball? Name another team in the top 25 that is so pourous on defense and so undisciplined on offense?
Our players cannot feed the post, They never fake a pass make a pass. There are several times a game where simmons has his man on his back and we cant get it to him. If the man is on his back he is open. Simmons puts his hand out where he wants the ball, we just don't put ourselves in position to get it to him. That is elementary, we work on that in the CSAL. This is year 4, these are his guys. There is no reason we should be as fundamentally deficient as we are.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 9:58 am to Clark W Griswold
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But who you gonna attract at LSU that will take us to the next level?
Have you been paying attention at all in the last year+ who Mississippi State, Auburn and Alabama hired?
Posted on 2/22/16 at 10:42 am to Tom Bronco
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As for the timeouts and in game coaching, the greatest college basketball coach of all time John Wooden used to sit with no expression on his face the entire game. He said when asked that if he hadn't done his job before the game started then nothing he did during it would change that.
Wooden's teams were perfectly prepared, and his players would run through a wall for him, even though he was a soft-spoken coach.
He had their respect, and that's why his softer style worked. It was also a different era.
So yes, soft-spoken coaches can succeed. But not ALL soft spoken coaches succeed. A coach has to have ways to motivate his players, and different players require different methods. I just haven't seen much from Jones to correct deficiencies and to play with intensity.
When you see the same problems, from many players, over multiple years, the problem is with the coach.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 10:57 am to thunderbird1100
I know it's been said 1000+ times, but it deserves to be said again. He was barley above .500 at N. Tx in Sun Belt Conf. play. Was below .500 in one season at Memphis. There are reason he was where he was or more than a decade.
What other power 5 school would have hired JJ other than LSU?
That being said, do we really want uncle Joe hiring a BB coach? Right now he's 0-3 at LSU, I call that consistent.
What other power 5 school would have hired JJ other than LSU?
That being said, do we really want uncle Joe hiring a BB coach? Right now he's 0-3 at LSU, I call that consistent.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 11:44 am to Dock Holiday
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Right now he's 0-3 at LSU
Needs an *
He was forced to hire JJ
Posted on 2/22/16 at 11:48 am to GeeOH
I hate yo say this, but look for a top tier guy that is trying to rebuild his reputation after a fall from grace for whatever reason.....
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Agree with this. I wanted Bruce pearl before this hire. Thought he would inject some life into the program like Dale Brown did.
This post was edited on 2/22/16 at 11:50 am
Posted on 2/22/16 at 11:48 am to GermantownTiger
It's too hard to defend CJJ anymore. LSU barely made the tournament last year with a pretty good roster and this year likely won't make it with the #1 draft pick and a decent supporting cast.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 11:49 am to jmarto1
He's not even that good of a recruiter. I just want to keep David Patrick
Posted on 2/22/16 at 12:00 pm to Sir Cumfrence
I agree with you. The average LSU fan has the luxury of sitting on his sofa, wearing his wife-beater, scratching himself, popping open a beer, and making pronouncements on whether the coach should be fired, that vary from game to game (the coach is safe following a win; must be fired after a loss.)
Although I think Alleva is weak and I'd think HIS job status should be evaluated (based upon how the Miles' debacle was handled), he also must factor in a lot of things, and can't change his mind from game to game, as fans do.
As you say, who is going to do a better job? Personally, I want to see how the season plays out. Could this team win the SEC tournament and gain an automatic bid? I don't know ... but as a fan, I sure hope so. Otherwise, why be a fan?
The whole Ben Simmons thing is a no-win for LSU, and Johnny. If not for Johnny, Simmons wouldn't be here in the first place. But, he's here, and, obviously the team hasn't done as well as we would like. I think the expectations were ridiculous, but, LSU, and Johnny contributed to those expectations. This is a very young team, and, I don't think Jones has done a bad job. He obviously can recruit, and, frankly I'm not certain having Simmons for only one year, given that we aren't Kentucky with a roster full of one and doners, guaranteed, or should have guaranteed a wildly successful year on the court.
Although I think Alleva is weak and I'd think HIS job status should be evaluated (based upon how the Miles' debacle was handled), he also must factor in a lot of things, and can't change his mind from game to game, as fans do.
As you say, who is going to do a better job? Personally, I want to see how the season plays out. Could this team win the SEC tournament and gain an automatic bid? I don't know ... but as a fan, I sure hope so. Otherwise, why be a fan?
The whole Ben Simmons thing is a no-win for LSU, and Johnny. If not for Johnny, Simmons wouldn't be here in the first place. But, he's here, and, obviously the team hasn't done as well as we would like. I think the expectations were ridiculous, but, LSU, and Johnny contributed to those expectations. This is a very young team, and, I don't think Jones has done a bad job. He obviously can recruit, and, frankly I'm not certain having Simmons for only one year, given that we aren't Kentucky with a roster full of one and doners, guaranteed, or should have guaranteed a wildly successful year on the court.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 12:00 pm to Circle K Beggar
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He was forced to hire JJ
Maybe to an extent that is true. I was not in closed door meetings, but that's somewhat of a common opinion and there may be a hint of truth it or it could be just hear-say.
No matter the case, Joe had a choice to make and he chose JJ. If he did not have the clout or the ability to persuade others to let him make his own decisions (see November and Miles) then that is still an issue and I'm not sure he's fit to hire another coach.
All of the above still does not explain Trent Johnson or Caldwell.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 12:00 pm to Sir Cumfrence
I agree with you. The average LSU fan has the luxury of sitting on his sofa, wearing his wife-beater, scratching himself, popping open a beer, and making pronouncements on whether the coach should be fired, that vary from game to game (the coach is safe following a win; must be fired after a loss.)
Although I think Alleva is weak and I'd think HIS job status should be evaluated (based upon how the Miles' debacle was handled), he also must factor in a lot of things, and can't change his mind from game to game, as fans do.
As you say, who is going to do a better job? Personally, I want to see how the season plays out. Could this team win the SEC tournament and gain an automatic bid? I don't know ... but as a fan, I sure hope so. Otherwise, why be a fan?
The whole Ben Simmons thing is a no-win for LSU, and Johnny. If not for Johnny, Simmons wouldn't be here in the first place. But, he's here, and, obviously the team hasn't done as well as we would like. I think the expectations were ridiculous, but, LSU, and Johnny contributed to those expectations. This is a very young team, and, I don't think Jones has done a bad job. He obviously can recruit, and, frankly I'm not certain having Simmons for only one year, given that we aren't Kentucky with a roster full of one and doners, guaranteed, or should have guaranteed a wildly successful year on the court.
Although I think Alleva is weak and I'd think HIS job status should be evaluated (based upon how the Miles' debacle was handled), he also must factor in a lot of things, and can't change his mind from game to game, as fans do.
As you say, who is going to do a better job? Personally, I want to see how the season plays out. Could this team win the SEC tournament and gain an automatic bid? I don't know ... but as a fan, I sure hope so. Otherwise, why be a fan?
The whole Ben Simmons thing is a no-win for LSU, and Johnny. If not for Johnny, Simmons wouldn't be here in the first place. But, he's here, and, obviously the team hasn't done as well as we would like. I think the expectations were ridiculous, but, LSU, and Johnny contributed to those expectations. This is a very young team, and, I don't think Jones has done a bad job. He obviously can recruit, and, frankly I'm not certain having Simmons for only one year, given that we aren't Kentucky with a roster full of one and doners, guaranteed, or should have guaranteed a wildly successful year on the court.
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