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re: Supreme Leader Snoke's identity all but confirmed (spoilers obviously)
Posted on 12/28/15 at 1:47 pm to lagallifrey
Posted on 12/28/15 at 1:47 pm to lagallifrey
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Nobody followed the rule of 2 anyway. Yoda was wrong about the rule of 2.
As far as the movies are concerned, everyone followed the rule of 2.
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Posted on 12/28/15 at 1:49 pm to The Pirate King
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Was this explained in the movies or the movie novels or what? I'm being serious, I must have completely glossed over this. Of course I only watched the prequels maybe 3-4 times.
I figured Shmi would have been a little more confused or been paraded around as a medical experiment considering she was the first virgin birth ever.
The Sidious stuff wasn't really explained, but Anakin being a product of the Force was.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 1:52 pm to LeonPhelps
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LeonPhelps
Which book said that Palpatine killed Plagueis the day he became Chancellor? I just have not seen that before. All I've ever seen were estimation that it happened sometime a little before he took Maul as his apprentice.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 1:52 pm to The Pirate King
In episode 1, they said that Anakin had no father and that he was born from the force. In episode 3 Palpatine tells Anakin that Plagueis can manipulate the force to create life. Its implied and highly logical that Plagueis could have and probably created Anakin, bringing balance to the force. With that being said, we know that Luke was around when Emporer Palpatine and Darth Vader died, so the only way for there to be balance is if there were another Sith lord somewhere to balance the dark and the light. It would also be appropriate that Darth Plagueis would have created Anakin knowing full well of the implication that he would kill Palpatine and bring balance to the force, there for creating not only a power vacuum for him to come in and run sh*t but also serve up some revenge for Palpatines assassination attempt.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 2:25 pm to LeonPhelps
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Anakin did indeed bring balance back to the Force by killing Darth Sidious.
Some would say that Anakin brought balance to the force by helping kill off all the Jedi except for Yoda and Obi-Wan. The force was skewed HEAVILY toward the light until Anakin went ham and killed almost everyone. His presence was the catalyst for Sidious to engage order 66, and Anakin himself killed a tremendous amount of Jedi.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 2:49 pm to TigerFanatic99
Yep. Strictly speaking, he brought it back to the ultimate rule of 2, there were 2 sith and 2 jedi. Hooray balance! 
Posted on 12/28/15 at 2:49 pm to TigerFanatic99
Anakin was the GOAT Jedi
Posted on 12/28/15 at 2:57 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
So we should expect the revelation in the next movie will be Plageius telling Rey that "I am your great-grandfather....or something like that."
What did the Jedi think "bringing balance to the Force" meant? Simply eliminating the Sith? When they adopted Anakin, they weren't aware that the Sith had returned.
What did the Jedi think "bringing balance to the Force" meant? Simply eliminating the Sith? When they adopted Anakin, they weren't aware that the Sith had returned.
This post was edited on 12/28/15 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 12/28/15 at 3:07 pm to FairhopeTider
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So we should expect the revelation in the next movie will be Plageius telling Rey that "I am your great-grandfather....or something like that."
Well, technically we don't know that Plageius created Anakin. It is hinted at, but it is not a definitive position. Sure it is possible, maybe even probable, but Palpatine's whole reason for telling Anakin about him was to entice him about helping save Padme.
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What did the Jedi think "bringing balance to the Force" meant? Simply eliminating the Sith? When they adopted Anakin, they weren't aware that the Sith had returned.
The prophecy was made long before Anakin iirc. Obviously they misinterpreted it, as mentioned by Yoda. They knew once they adopted him that there was possibly a Sith plot. So, in their mind if the Sith grew in power, the force would be unbalanced again, so the Chosen One at that point would help put a stop to it. It goes back to one of the original themes Obi Wan taught Luke, that your point of view drastically changes your opinion of the same information. The Jedi viewed a balanced force meaning no turmoil and no evil. The Sith did the same. Both did not understand the prophecy.
This post was edited on 12/28/15 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 12/28/15 at 3:18 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
The Jedi saw bringing balance to the force as basically wiping out the sith.
The Jedi believed that the light side of the force was the true nature of the force and the dark side of the force was just a perversion of the natural state. So they believed that Anakin would wipe out the sith and then there would be no dark side... This is my interpretation that I back with no evidence.
The Jedi believed that the light side of the force was the true nature of the force and the dark side of the force was just a perversion of the natural state. So they believed that Anakin would wipe out the sith and then there would be no dark side... This is my interpretation that I back with no evidence.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 3:21 pm to The Eric
I mean that is pretty much it.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 3:28 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
I always thought the "Rule of Two" only inferred that Siths hang out in pairs, a Master and an Apprentice...Not that only two exist at a time in the galaxy.
My own, I have no proof to back it.
My own, I have no proof to back it.
This post was edited on 12/28/15 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 12/28/15 at 3:31 pm to 19
The rule of 2 only applied to the Sith. I was just throwing that in as if we are talking true balance, the rule of 2 would be universal. If there are 2 Sith, then balance would be 2 Jedi. Not that that is an actual position in the canon, it's just another way to interpret the prophecy.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 4:08 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
That's what I mean. There will always be dark, there will always be light. Yin and yang. Hopefully they address that in the next two movies.
If you read the prophecy with the context of all the movies, it seems like the balance is truly having the Jedi and sith equal in force and strength, and the time between is either side fighting to get back to equal.
Sidious and Plagueis meditating to shift force back to equal, Anakin was born/spawned whatever, wipes out all the Jedi except 2 to match sidious/Vader.
Just the way I read it. Could be completely off though lol.
If you read the prophecy with the context of all the movies, it seems like the balance is truly having the Jedi and sith equal in force and strength, and the time between is either side fighting to get back to equal.
Sidious and Plagueis meditating to shift force back to equal, Anakin was born/spawned whatever, wipes out all the Jedi except 2 to match sidious/Vader.
Just the way I read it. Could be completely off though lol.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 4:11 pm to The Eric
The Force was actually out of balance. The dark side was more powerful than the light. Yoda and Mace said in the prequels that their ability to use the Force was diminished, and that was due to the Forc being out of balance.
In the Clone Wars tv show, which is canon, we see the Celestials, which actually maintain the balance of the Force. Here is the Wookeepedia entry.
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Somehow by killing Sidious, Anakin brought the Force back in balance so that the dark side was no longer stronger than the light.
In the Clone Wars tv show, which is canon, we see the Celestials, which actually maintain the balance of the Force. Here is the Wookeepedia entry.
LINK
Somehow by killing Sidious, Anakin brought the Force back in balance so that the dark side was no longer stronger than the light.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 4:20 pm to LeonPhelps
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The Force was actually out of balance. The dark side was more powerful than the light. Yoda and Mace said in the prequels that their ability to use the Force was diminished, and that was due to the Forc being out of balance.
Well, up until this point, the Light had been greatly more powerful than the Dark. Diminished though is also from their point of view. Maybe they were use to more ability than the balance allowed? The force didn't swing over to the Dark side until ROTS did it?
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Somehow by killing Sidious, Anakin brought the Force back in balance so that the dark side was no longer stronger than the light.
IMO, once he killed Palpatine, he eliminated both Dark and Light from any position of real power, which you could argue is balanced.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 4:22 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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IMO, once he killed Palpatine, he eliminated both Dark and Light from any position of real power, which you could argue is balanced.
Um how?
Luke was still alive and Lucas has said all along Luke would be more powerful than any dark or light user ever?
Posted on 12/28/15 at 4:23 pm to STLhog
Lucas is probably reading this thread going "this is impressive guys but I just thought the line "bring balance to the force" sounded cool and I didn't expect to have to explain this far"
Posted on 12/28/15 at 4:25 pm to STLhog
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Um how?
Ask Lucas
I've always seen it as he brought balance once there were only 2 of the sith and 2 of the jedi. Was just responding to a post.
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Lucas has said all along Luke would be more powerful than any dark or light user ever?
Has he? I've never seen this. If this was the case, why is Anakin the chosen one?
Posted on 12/28/15 at 4:27 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
Part of me still thinks Luke will have found a way to use both sides of the force without being corrupted by the dark side.
Truly balancing the force.
Truly balancing the force.
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