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re: Supreme Leader Snoke's identity all but confirmed (spoilers obviously)

Posted on 12/28/15 at 4:28 pm to
Posted by STLhog
Nashville, TN
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 12/28/15 at 4:28 pm to
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Anakin was the GOAT Jedi


No doubt. The cartoons did him way more justice.

He wasn't really done justice in the movies until he whooped Dooku's arse in the ROTS.

The only thing the prequels got right was the saber duels and the score. There's some badass saber duels looking back that make the OT look pretty cheesy and aged.
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
34877 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 4:29 pm to
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Part of me still thinks Luke will have found a way to use both sides of the force without being corrupted by the dark side.

Truly balancing the force.


I can see this. I mean he has already shown the ability to Force Choke. However, for this to be the case, him making a new Jedi order for the Light wouldn't really work
Posted by STLhog
Nashville, TN
Member since Jan 2015
17716 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 4:30 pm to
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If this was the case, why is Anakin the chosen one?


Sorry, I came across as a dick, my bad. I've asked the same question. Maybe because he had Luke?

Not really sure, let me dig around and find where I read that.

You could also ask the question how Obi-Wan beat Anakin at close to the peak of his powers on Mustafar yet Dooku pretty much dominated Obi-Wan and Anakin kicked Dooku's arse.

I guess its more of an answer of there are no absolutes. Dooku was able to give Yoda problems too.
This post was edited on 12/28/15 at 4:32 pm
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
57623 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 4:33 pm to
In the prequels, Lucas used "the force" and anything he could grasp onto to explain why they were so sloppily written.
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
34877 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 4:33 pm to
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He wasn't really done justice in the movies until he whooped Dooku's arse in the ROTS.


Agreed. There definitely should have been more points to actually show how powerful he had become, especially in the fight with Obi Wan. There should have been moments when Anakin clearly overpowered him (when they had their little force off), but also show his still immaturity and strong headedness that leads to his defeat.

quote:

The only thing the prequels got right was the saber duels and the score. There's some badass saber duels looking back that make the OT look pretty cheesy and aged.

Order 66 was also very well done. The score for that was phenomenal. Very emotional part.
Posted by VaBamaMan
North AL
Member since Apr 2013
7649 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 4:34 pm to
I meant post the Jedi academy massacre. At the temple.

He recognizes how the darkside troubles those with his blood. Why would he want that to continue in his family's future, for them to be tortured by the dark side for generations to come, or have his family be the down fall of the galaxy?

He went to the temple to see if there was a way to avoid full corruption while still giving in to anger and fear when necessary.

Just a thought.
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
34877 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 4:37 pm to
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Sorry, I came across as a dick, my bad.


you're good

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Not really sure, let me dig around and find where I read that.

I'd definitely be interested in reading that. I've just never seen it, and everything I've ever read has Luke around like 4-5 most powerful, which isn't anything to scoff at

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You could also ask the question how Obi-Wan beat Anakin at close to the peak of his powers on Mustafar yet Dooku pretty much dominated Obi-Wan and Anakin kicked Dooku's arse.

I guess its more of an answer of there are no absolutes. Dooku was able to give Yoda problems too.


This is one of my biggest gripes about the prequels, especially ROTS. Anakin and Obi Wan should not have been on equal levels, considering how powerful Anakin was. I mean he completely punked Dooku before he went full Dark Side, who tossed Obi Wan around like a rag doll.
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
34877 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 4:39 pm to
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Just a thought.


I'm following you now. That would be an interesting angle to go. They did make Luke look a little dark, with his eyes being so black and what not. I could see it. Don't know if I'd necessarily like it, but it would be entertaining none the less.
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
34877 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 4:47 pm to
I've also had a thought, if Snoke ends up being Plageuis, that would be interesting.

**I admit this is off the wall and undeniably ridiculous, but frick it I want it to happen, sort of.

Ren's "Final Training" isn't to make him more powerful, but to have him be a vessel to bring back someone more powerful than any, since he can obviously bring himself back from the dead. Plageuis needed a body/soul willing to do anything for him to bring back his created son. Yes, bringing Vader back bitches!!!

This post was edited on 12/28/15 at 4:49 pm
Posted by Mr Gardoki
AL
Member since Apr 2010
27652 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 5:36 pm to
That's a cool idea that I hope doesn't happen

I read the plagueis book but I need refreshing. How does it describe sidious killing him? Does it confirm it or insinuate it?
Posted by StrongBackWeakMind
Member since May 2014
22650 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 5:38 pm to
I think he force choked that MFer in his sleep.
Posted by putt23
Pingree Grove, IL
Member since Oct 2010
4664 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 5:39 pm to
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Which book said that Palpatine killed Plagueis the day he became Chancellor? I just have not seen that before. All I've ever seen were estimation that it happened sometime a little before he took Maul as his apprentice.


Maul was a grown man going on missions before Plagueis is killed. Palpatine saved him as a baby from his witch momma.

It's in the Plagueis book. It's been 2 years since I read it though. I feel like Plagueis always knew Palpatine was training him. Can't remember for sure
Posted by BulldogXero
Member since Oct 2011
9763 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 5:49 pm to
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The only thing the prequels got right was the saber duels and the score. There's some badass saber duels looking back that make the OT look pretty cheesy and aged.


That's the one thing where looking back on it, I can accept the difference in duels between Jedi/Sith in their prime and Luke vs Vader, but I do not see how Darth Vader would've stood a chance against virtually any prequel trilogy Jedi. Revenge of the Sith leads us to believe that the vast majority of Jedi were wiped out in the span of about 10 minutes, but you have to assume there were hundreds or thousands of Jedi out there who survived Order 66. How does the Vader who fought Luke Skywalker compete with the Jedi of the PT? I think even General Grievous would slash him into 1 million pieces.

Then again, knowing how incompetent the PT made all Jedi not relevant to the plot look, it shouldn't surprise me at all.
Posted by Mr Gardoki
AL
Member since Apr 2010
27652 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 5:51 pm to
I think we can all agree that was mishandled.
This post was edited on 12/28/15 at 5:52 pm
Posted by VaBamaMan
North AL
Member since Apr 2013
7649 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 5:52 pm to
One problem.

Lucas stuck his arse in the end of ROTJ as a redeemed force ghost, and that shite is canon now.
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
34877 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 5:57 pm to
Oh I know, I just want more of Vader being a badass
Posted by BulldogXero
Member since Oct 2011
9763 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 6:00 pm to
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I think we can all agree that was mishandled


Then again, look at how pathetic all Jedi not named Yoda, Windu, or Obi-Wan were portrayed in the films:

This Guy is on the Jedi Council

These Guys

This chick

Maybe it's really not so hard to believe
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
34877 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 6:02 pm to
I thought he electructed him in his sleep, but I may be wrong.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
108098 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 6:04 pm to
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How does the Vader who fought Luke Skywalker compete with the Jedi of the PT?


To be fair, he's fighting his own son. Vader's goal in those duels is not to kill him. He largely toys with Luke, and the only moment where he doesn't is when he takes off his hand. If he's facing off with Jedi he has no attachment to, then he's going to be a bit more vicious towards them.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
108098 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 6:06 pm to
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The only thing the prequels got right was the saber duels and the score. There's some badass saber duels looking back that make the OT look pretty cheesy and aged.


No, the saber duels, save for Darth Maul (but still has no emotional context) are a complete disaster. No way would Anakin and Obi Wan's duel have lasted more than 10 seconds unless it was carefully choreographed and practiced for hours on end.
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