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re: Star Wars: TFA -Official Discussion Thread - Spoilers
Posted on 12/22/15 at 10:59 pm to OMLandshark
Posted on 12/22/15 at 10:59 pm to OMLandshark
When I say it was more competitive than it should have been, I mean Kyle should have sidestepped his first strike attempt and cut him in half. We routinely saw in the prequels how effortlessly Jedi/Sith kill anything and anyone who isn't a force user. Look how effortlessly Mace Windu killed Jango Fett and Jango was an excellent fighter and marksman who wasn't trying to engage him at close range.
The idea that Finn could pick up a light saber and even defend a single strike from Ren is laughable. Comparing it to the Luke/Vader dual is silly, Luke was a semi-trained Jedi who could leap ten feet in the air and use the force.
The idea that Finn could pick up a light saber and even defend a single strike from Ren is laughable. Comparing it to the Luke/Vader dual is silly, Luke was a semi-trained Jedi who could leap ten feet in the air and use the force.
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Posted on 12/22/15 at 11:02 pm to Roger Klarvin
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When I say it was more competitive than it should have been, I mean Kyle should have sidestepped his first strike attempt and cut him in half. We routinely saw in the prequels how effortlessly Jedi/Sith kill anything and anyone who isn't a force user.
The idea that Finn could pick up a light saber and even defend a single strike from Ren is laughable. Comparing it to the Luke/Vader dual is silly, Luke was a semi-trained Jedi who could leap ten feet in the air and use the force.
Why couldn't he have blocked a few of them? It's not as if he's entirely blind. He lasted for maybe 25 seconds, which I think is fine and respectable.
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Look how effortlessly Mace Windu killed Jango Fett and Jango was an excellent fighter and marksman who wasn't trying to engage him at close range.
This movie shows how ridiculous that sequence is. If Mace Windu was really all that badass, he should have been able to stop that blast right in its path as Kylo Ren did. This was just amateur hour.
Posted on 12/22/15 at 11:04 pm to OMLandshark
quote:Maybe, or maybe he's really humble and human instead.
If Luke is where I think he is, he won't really care if someone else is a badass pilot.
It sounds like the Force has brought a lot of anquish to him since ROTJ, enough that he decided to take a hike and go live on an island. All this Jedi training has made his father and his nephew turn into psychopaths that have brought devastation to the galaxy. He basically created the monster Ren has become.
I wouldn't be shocked if Luke is actively rejecting the Force and the Jedi teaching right now; I mean, he's standing aside as the First Order wreaks havoc, and everyone is looking for him to come make it right. He might say he's done with it. For now, at least; I think he takes Snoke down in the end. But that might be an active "I'm ending the Force for both of us" moment, to give the universe back to the normal people.
Posted on 12/22/15 at 11:06 pm to Scoob
Did anybody else here catch how they reworked(edited from Ep 4) Alec Guinness's voice to say, "Rey" while Rey was having that flashback inside that temple? Then you hear Ewan McGregor's voice say, "Rey, you've taken your first step" -or something to that effect.
Didn't hear this last Thursday, but saw it again yesterday, and I caught it.
Didn't hear this last Thursday, but saw it again yesterday, and I caught it.
This post was edited on 12/22/15 at 11:28 pm
Posted on 12/22/15 at 11:08 pm to Vegas Tigerette
Yes. They took an old clip of sir Alec saying "afraid" and clipped it down to get the "rey"
Posted on 12/22/15 at 11:10 pm to Vegas Tigerette
Just saw it again in 2d and enjoyed it so much better. The graininess of the 38mm doesn't show up in 3D. It felt like an old movie. My intitial nitpicks didn't bother me this time around. What a fun movie.
Posted on 12/22/15 at 11:18 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Loved the movie, but how was it in any way realistic that the fight between Kylo Ren and Fin was remotely competitive? He should have slaughtered him in 2 seconds, or more likely just force froze him.
Might have something to do with that fact that Ren had just been shot in the side with a bowcaster a couple minutes before that and was bleeding out his side, but I could be wrong...
Posted on 12/22/15 at 11:18 pm to ReturnoftheMuschamp
quote:He still should have crushed him with the quickness.
Might have something to do with that fact that Ren had just been shot in the side with a bowcaster a couple minutes before that and was bleeding out his side, but I could be wrong...
Posted on 12/22/15 at 11:19 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:Ren is not Vader, he's a spoiled Force adept wannabe.
The idea that Finn could pick up a light saber and even defend a single strike from Ren is laughable. Comparing it to the Luke/Vader dual is silly, Luke was a semi-trained Jedi who could leap ten feet in the air and use the force.
If you really want to bring the prequels back in (and this movie seems to be an active move away from them), then consider that Vader is Anakin, so he's got close to 40 years of Jedi/Sith experience, most of it in combat, when he faces Luke the first time. In comparison, Ren isn't even that old yet, and Finn, while not a Force user, is a trained soldier (and they had tools that could block a lightsaber, as shown earlier). That, combined with Ren toying with him, would make the fight last a few seconds.
Also, I'm guessing Ren has some special, advanced armor (similar to Vader's). Sabers normally cut through things like butter, but Luke landed a square blow that just made Vader go "arrggh" before he got pissed. He soaked up a couple of shots from Han's blaster into his hand like it was nothing. And Ren took a solid hit from Chewie's bowcaster, which was blowing Storm Troopers 10 feet in the air. He was bleeding, but not badly.
Might make facing a novice with a lightsaber a little less daunting, he'd basically have to behead you to win.
Black= energy-absorbing?
Posted on 12/22/15 at 11:24 pm to Scoob
Posted on 12/22/15 at 11:25 pm to Tiger Ryno
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Yes. They took an old clip of sir Alec saying "afraid" and clipped it down to get the "rey"
Loved that they did that, I think Rey is related to a major character, or perhaps she was being trained by Luke as a child, then Luke wiped her memory using the force (before Knights of Ren wiped out all of Luke's pupils), then she's taken to Jackuu where maybe Max Von Sydow's character kept watch over her until she became an adult. I've read rumors that Ben Solo is almost 10 years older than Rey, so if he turned to the darkside at age 19-20, and she was around age 10 when it all went down, it could have gone down that way -but it's only speculation. Most people right now are speculating that they'll reveal her to be Luke's kid.
Posted on 12/22/15 at 11:32 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
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He still should have crushed him with the quickness.
Um... he defeated him in less than a minute with his side bleeding out. You act like Kylo was fully healthy and Finn was going 50/50 with him. Finn was feeling all bad arse and flowing with rage/adrenaline and held his own for a little bit and then got whooped. This isn't really a valid complaint to me... or a logical one, but okay.
Posted on 12/22/15 at 11:35 pm to ReturnoftheMuschamp
Can you have a conversation without being a smartass, or no?
He had enough energy to outrun Rey and Finn in the forest, force throw Rey across the screen, but not crush Finn in a matter of seconds? Hell, Finn even landed a blow on him.
He had enough energy to outrun Rey and Finn in the forest, force throw Rey across the screen, but not crush Finn in a matter of seconds? Hell, Finn even landed a blow on him.
Posted on 12/22/15 at 11:41 pm to ReturnoftheMuschamp
Like I said, not a big deal or anything. Just something I found a little unbelievable. It wouldn't have stuck out as much if Finn hadn't managed to wound him.
Posted on 12/22/15 at 11:55 pm to catholictigerfan
Just saw it for the third time, so so far I have bought eight tickets to this movie.. Just doing my part to make Disney richer.
First thought, the Palace sucks, I feel bad for people who still go to that shite-hole.
2. It was mighty close to New Hope, but a damn fine film. I just think that maybe instead of blowing up star killer base they just disabled it.
Though having a weapon that could destroy planets without being near them was scary.
Maz needed more back story.
I see a lot of people upset that a 90 pound girl was so strong in the force, yet they are fine with a 20 pound lizard man being the strongest in the force.
Boyega was really sweaty for the first half, no biggie.
The "Droid please" wasn't as bad as made out earlier.
I think it was a great movie. Only movie I saw three times this year (saw Avengers, Mad Max Inside Out, and Jurassic World twice each)
First thought, the Palace sucks, I feel bad for people who still go to that shite-hole.
2. It was mighty close to New Hope, but a damn fine film. I just think that maybe instead of blowing up star killer base they just disabled it.
Though having a weapon that could destroy planets without being near them was scary.
Maz needed more back story.
I see a lot of people upset that a 90 pound girl was so strong in the force, yet they are fine with a 20 pound lizard man being the strongest in the force.
Boyega was really sweaty for the first half, no biggie.
The "Droid please" wasn't as bad as made out earlier.
I think it was a great movie. Only movie I saw three times this year (saw Avengers, Mad Max Inside Out, and Jurassic World twice each)
Posted on 12/22/15 at 11:57 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
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He still should have crushed him with the quickness.
They had five shots showing how strong the bowcaster was, everyone who got shot flew back, it was super powerful and Ren just took the hit and then kept on going. Had he not got shot he would of killed her. That shot from Chewie is what saved Ren.
Posted on 12/22/15 at 11:58 pm to blueboy
This may be the most divisive movie of all time 
Posted on 12/22/15 at 11:59 pm to blueboy
you had threads bashing this movie a YEAR ago. Give it up. You did the same thing for Game of thrones, before becoming a book reader and then calming down.
Posted on 12/23/15 at 12:05 am to Roger Klarvin
quote:Anyone can land a lucky blow, even against a Force user, especially if that user is a) injured, and b) extremely overconfident in his superiority to his opponent, to the point of toying with him.
It wouldn't have stuck out as much if Finn hadn't managed to wound him.
And like I brought up, Ren was wearing some type of armor that a lightsaber doesn't easily cut. Sabers normally cut limbs off with a flick of the wrist, but Luke really whacked Vader on the arm, and just pissed him off on Bespin. And then Vader snipped Luke's hand off with just a flick again a few moments later.
Ren took a shot to the torso from Chewie that would have disemboweled a storm trooper, and he said ow and stalked off.
What I didn't catch- didn't something fly off when Rey landed her blow? I thought something did, and could have sworn she beheaded him (it was silhouetted though). Was pretty surprised to see him look up with a scar, instead of his head off to the side a few feet away.
Shoulder pad?
Posted on 12/23/15 at 12:07 am to Scoob
I thought she cut off his hand. Did she not?
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