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Posted on 12/22/15 at 9:56 pm to
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 12/22/15 at 9:56 pm to
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Luke is hiding because he knows Kylo would come after him. This is the same thing Yoda did in V and VI (wasn't fearing being killed, but hid because of his age) and what Ben Kenobi. There is about 30 years between Vi and VII so he is getting pretty old. Mid 50s to Mid 60s probably. Don't forget Jedi's don't want to fight they only do it when necessary.



Unless Luke is highly reluctant to kill him, I feel sure that Luke could kill him in a duel. I don't think the Kylo we saw could get close to Luke. If Kylo could stop a laser blast, imagine what Luke can do now.
Posted by Tiger Ryno
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Posted on 12/22/15 at 9:57 pm to
Great post.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 12/22/15 at 9:58 pm to
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She sure doesn't seem to plan staying long, since Chewie hangs out and waits for her to come back (the Falcon doesn't leave as she climbs the path).



I think their goal is to get Luke and take him back to the Resistance. I doubt Luke will go along with them though. I think Chewie and R2 will stick around in Episode VIII as Rey gets trained by Luke. They could make for some good comic relief.
Posted by ChargerDog91
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Posted on 12/22/15 at 9:58 pm to
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Why am I only allowed one post to state my opinion, and then I have to get out because "we get it already!!!"




This thread is filled with your bullshite opinion among many others. Stop trying to play the victim all of a sudden cause you got called out for being a whiny bitch.
Posted by catholictigerfan
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Posted on 12/22/15 at 10:00 pm to
IDK why he hides, there are alot of theories. I think Han has an idea why he does it but I have to go back and watch it. I wonder if Luke knows about snoke? If snoke is a sith he may be a good match for Luke. But just speculation, should be made clearer in VIII
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 12/22/15 at 10:02 pm to
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IDK why he hides, there are alot of theories. I think Han has an idea why he does it but I have to go back and watch it. I wonder if Luke knows about snoke? If snoke is a sith he may be a good match for Luke. But just speculation, should be made clearer in VIII



Luke is not afraid of Kylo. I think he is there to learn more about the Force, and may have something to do with shame of failing Han, Leia, and Ben. He sure as hell could kill Ben, but I think he's reluctant to.
Posted by Scoob
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Posted on 12/22/15 at 10:04 pm to
I don't think Luke will kill Kylo. Leia wanted Han to bring her son back, after he blew up the Republic's planet, and was now preparing to blow them up too. Han died trying to redeem his son. That redemption will be the only thing that will comfort Leia, so that is what her brother will attempt.

Rey might. And she seems to have better focus and emotional discipline than Ren does, so while he can do amazing things, she might be a better channel for sustained Force usage.
Posted by blueboy
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Posted on 12/22/15 at 10:06 pm to
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Go frick yourself. We actually want to talk about the movie and the theories and all you want to say is the movie sucks and some day we'll see that you were right, blah blah blah...
Dude. They had a black guy and they made him say "Droid, please!"

You'll get there.
Posted by catholictigerfan
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Posted on 12/22/15 at 10:06 pm to
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I think their goal is to get Luke and take him back to the Resistance. I doubt Luke will go along with them though. I think Chewie and R2 will stick around in Episode VIII as Rey gets trained by Luke. They could make for some good comic relief.



He may go eventually, or maybe he will become more like Yoda. I really think, they are going to be more original in VIII and IX, as much as people think this VII was a recycle of A new Hope, except the attack on new death star there are plenty of differences between the two that I think they will take VIII in a much different direction. The similarities in VII and IV where JJs homage to the original trilogy.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 12/22/15 at 10:08 pm to
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He may go eventually, or maybe he will become more like Yoda. I really think, they are going to be more original in VIII and IX, as much as people think this VII was a recycle of A new Hope, except the attack on new death star there are plenty of differences between the two that I think they will take VIII in a much different direction. The similarities in VII and IV where JJs homage to the original trilogy.



I think he will eventually go, just to see Leia and confront Kylo Ren again. I think Rey will be under the assumption Luke will go with her from the start, but he will initially refuse. He will agree after a bit of begging though to train her, while Kylo Ren goes on a parallel journey in his lessons with Snoke. Then about 2/3rds through the movie, Luke agrees to return.
Posted by catholictigerfan
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Posted on 12/22/15 at 10:31 pm to
I def think there will be training, I don't think it will take up 2/3s or the movie though. Just my 2 cents.

Somehow the will be a resistance vs first order fight, revealing of more Knights of Ren. Somehow Finn will get in trouble again IDK. Also, I think there is going to be a growing love story between Finn and Rey, there was something growing between them especially near the end of the movie.

edit: enough Star Wars theories for one night, I'm sure there will be lots of speculating over the next two years.
This post was edited on 12/22/15 at 10:32 pm
Posted by dallastiger55
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Posted on 12/22/15 at 10:31 pm to
Just saw it and loved it. It's what I wanted and soo much better than the prequels

My questions/complaints

I didn't like how the old lady from the bar was CGI. I felt it could have been a real made up lady. Who is she by the way?

I hated to see Han die. He was awesome in the movie

I wonder if we will see Lando in episode 8

I'm just glad it's in good hands with Abrams. So much better than what Lucas did with it
Posted by SG_Geaux
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Posted on 12/22/15 at 10:34 pm to
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You'll get there.


And this is exactly why people are sick of your whining bitch arse.
Posted by catholictigerfan
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Posted on 12/22/15 at 10:35 pm to
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I'm just glad it's in good hands with Abrams. So much better than what Lucas did with it



the whole, single good shot to destroy an entire planet was actually believable in this movie. You have to contain that energy somewhere, so if you can destabilize what stabilizes basically the power of a star, yeah things going to blow up. It's reasonable to think this situation would actually occur, it took some effort to destroy, shooting it from the outside obviously didn't work. I know a lot of people complain about this, but JJ did a good job making how they destroyed the new death star much more believable than IV and VI.

Also, it was cool to see a planet collapse into a star

It was also pretty cool to see how the light coming from the star changed as it go smaller.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 12/22/15 at 10:40 pm to
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I def think there will be training, I don't think it will take up 2/3s or the movie though. Just my 2 cents.



I'd really like to see a significant portion of the next film go into Rey and Kylo Ren's training. I'd like for them to take a "Lord of the Rings" route in the story, in that the story is entirely continuous and debatably a single film. We've just seen the first act, and meeting Luke is the end.

I'd really like to see them delve into chakras. Very important aspect of Hinduism and Buddhism, and seems as if they would almost certainly be a part of Force training, with Rey focusing on the light side of them and Kylo the dark. Would be a great way to build both Kylo and Rey's characters as well as the Force. Here's a summary of what Chakras entail: LINK
Posted by Scoob
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Posted on 12/22/15 at 10:41 pm to
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I think he will eventually go, just to see Leia and confront Kylo Ren again. I think Rey will be under the assumption Luke will go with her from the start, but he will initially refuse. He will agree after a bit of begging though to train her, while Kylo Ren goes on a parallel journey in his lessons with Snoke. Then about 2/3rds through the movie, Luke agrees to return.
I think the other direction. After initially refusing, Luke will see her as a Force adept. She's itching to go back and assist Chewie in the fight, and Luke comes along. He does so legitimately to see Leia, but also to keep an eye on her. He may be wary of any "official" training, as she isn't interested and he's been creating disasters when he does it, but they have an adventure or two (Chewie stays with them, as the bridge between the two) and he guides her in almost an offhand way.
I wonder if he even refuses the lightsaber for awhile? It's chief advantage is deflecting blaster shots, and if Kylo can do it with the wave of his hand, I'm sure Luke could too. And he was a good shot with a blaster, something the older Jedi never did. He might agree to come along, but as Luke, not Jedi Master Skywalker, and just pull sneaky Force shite along the way.

The more I think about it, the surer I am that he returns with them. I can only imagine him being introduced to Poe, "the best X Wing pilot in the galaxy" by Finn (might actually prompt a little smile from Luke, who modestly mentions that he flew one a time or 2).
Posted by catholictigerfan
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Posted on 12/22/15 at 10:43 pm to
After giving it a few days and seeing it a second time. This is how I would rank all 7.

1 V TESB
2 IV ANH
3 VII TFA (as a movie by itself I actually think this is better than all but V, but it just can't match up with the industry changing significance of IV, which is a pretty good movie BTW)
4 VI ROTJ (I hated the Ewoks in this story)
5-7 don't belong near the other 4 but I have to rank them.
5 III ROTS
6 II AOTC (this movie isn't that bad, but the Padme Anakin love story is one of the most forced love stories in cinema history
7 I TPM (I almost don't want to include it on this list. Jar Jar Ruined this movie, and why did they have to show Anakin as a kid, just didn't work out)
This post was edited on 12/22/15 at 10:46 pm
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 12/22/15 at 10:47 pm to
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I think the other direction. After initially refusing, Luke will see her as a Force adept. She's itching to go back and assist Chewie in the fight, and Luke comes along. He does so legitimately to see Leia, but also to keep an eye on her. He may be wary of any "official" training, as she isn't interested and he's been creating disasters when he does it, but they have an adventure or two (Chewie stays with them, as the bridge between the two) and he guides her in almost an offhand way.



No, we need to see her train extensively with Luke. As I said, do it different than Yoda did and focus on Chakras. Abrams picked a wonderful location for them to train in the ways of the Force. And do the same with Kylo during this time, who is in desperate need of this type of training.

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I wonder if he even refuses the lightsaber for awhile? It's chief advantage is deflecting blaster shots, and if Kylo can do it with the wave of his hand, I'm sure Luke could too. And he was a good shot with a blaster, something the older Jedi never did. He might agree to come along, but as Luke, not Jedi Master Skywalker, and just pull sneaky Force shite along the way.



I honestly think he'll allow Rey to keep his lightsaber, not only because it chose him, but he's become much too powerful for it. I think Luke's level of power now is to control all matter, energy, and emotions. He is fully realized at this point. His goal will be to put Rey at this point, although I don't think she'll be fully realized until the final film. Kylo I think will achieve this mostly by Episode VIII.

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The more I think about it, the surer I am that he returns with them. I can only imagine him being introduced to Poe, "the best X Wing pilot in the galaxy" by Finn (might actually prompt a little smile from Luke, who modestly mentions that he flew one a time or 2).



If Luke is where I think he is, he won't really care if someone else is a badass pilot.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 12/22/15 at 10:47 pm to
Loved the movie, but how was it in any way realistic that the fight between Kylo Ren and Fin was remotely competitive? He should have slaughtered him in 2 seconds, or more likely just force froze him.

That was like Han picking up a light saber and going a couple rounds with Vader in ANH.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 12/22/15 at 10:49 pm to
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how was it in any way realistic that the fight between Kylo Ren and Fin was remotely competitive? He should have slaughtered him in 2 seconds, or more likely just force froze him.


I don't think the duel was remotely competitive. Sure he scrapped him, but Luke scrapped Vader as well in the Bespin duel. Kylo wanted to toy with him and butcher him and fully realize what was going on. Finn got his arse kicked by a Stormtrooper for god's sake.
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