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re: Why in the world do you all think Cam won't be OC?
Posted on 12/2/15 at 9:05 am to atltiger6487
Posted on 12/2/15 at 9:05 am to atltiger6487
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this is exactly right. All of it.
How does Cam's new contract get approved? I agree it will be hard to find a new OC, but someone will be the scapegoat. Cam's contract is up. Miles can't approve a new one without Alleva and the BOS.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 9:08 am to 62Tigerfan
Can should stay, he is actually doing fine as a coordinator, can do better in the QB recruiting and development area. People don't realize how hard it is to call plays when you know you are limited in ability to execute
Posted on 12/2/15 at 9:08 am to 62Tigerfan
Can should stay, he is actually doing fine as a coordinator, can do better in the QB recruiting and development area. People don't realize how hard it is to call plays when you know you are limited in ability to execute
Posted on 12/2/15 at 9:27 am to 75helpmacpack
Who is responsible for recruiting QB's that can't execute?
Who is responsible for teaching and developing the QB's?
Who is reponsible for the OC/Quarterback coach?
Who is responsible for teaching and developing the QB's?
Who is reponsible for the OC/Quarterback coach?
Posted on 12/2/15 at 9:31 am to lctiger
He would be easy to replace with someone more familiar with how football is played on offense these days and someone who could get the offense more disciplined and get better execution out of his players. QB development, in his offense, is very slow as well.
Just need a coordinator familiar enough with Cams offense to maintain continuity and use Cams offense as the building blocks of a new offense.
If Cam stays his contract should just be on a one year trail basis to see if he can improve on the above deficiencies
Just need a coordinator familiar enough with Cams offense to maintain continuity and use Cams offense as the building blocks of a new offense.
If Cam stays his contract should just be on a one year trail basis to see if he can improve on the above deficiencies
Posted on 12/2/15 at 9:34 am to boxcar willie
We don't an OC. Let Miles OC. Spend the money on a new DC. Les Miles was OC before right? It can't get worse if that's your specialty.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 9:37 am to boxcar willie
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He would be easy to replace
Don't see how it would be easy with all the uncertainty of Miles' future. Why would a quality OC come here knowing he may be unemployed in a year or two?
Posted on 12/2/15 at 9:37 am to 75helpmacpack
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It is not qb development, it is qb play. Harris cannot hit an open man across the middle or on the out pattern....He can throw the long ball and hope the receiver gets it...the plays are good plays, the receivers are open......but at the end of the day the qb cannot make the throws....oc can not throw the ball. i dont believe harris will be the qb next year.....
Yeah, but this has been the story every year for the past several years (except Mett - who began his career at Georgia and then to JUCO).
It's not as if Jefferson, Lee, Jennings or Harris were crap coming out of high school. Weren't they all 4 stars? And why is it that teams who get 2 star talent at QB end up being far better at that position?
Posted on 12/2/15 at 9:47 am to RichardCranium
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Alleva sure can't tell Miles what to do anymore. He's Miles' friend and don't forget Les doesn't think anythings broke. I'm not saying he won't I just don't understand why some are so confident we will get a new OC.
I think we get another year of Cam but not because of those reasons. Giving Cam a one year extension even at his inflated salary (highest college OC in the world), is cheaper than a multi year contract to someone else that might be willing to come here. Les deserves to have who he wants on his staff as his record is his responsibility and we don't want him blaming the administration for his mediocrity. He should keep his comfort blanket in BDP for the mysterious purposes he serves. Let them have another year and show there stuff.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 10:01 am to JustSmokin
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Why would a quality OC come here knowing he may be unemployed in a year or two?
doesn't have to be some big name 'quality' OC wanting a big multi year contract. Just some OC from some small school somewhere who would be happy with a one year shot to coach at a big SEC program.
I don't follow SLU's program at all, but don't they have a pretty good offense? Maybe some one like their OC or someone like that.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 10:05 am to HuRRiCaNe MiLeS
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We don't an OC. Let Miles OC. Spend the money on a new DC. Les Miles was OC before right? It can't get worse if that's your specialty.
WE don't need a new DC, we just got one. Plus if we don't renew Cams contract we will have plenty of money for a new OC. Miles hand are full already just with HC duties and you want him to be the OC also?
Posted on 12/2/15 at 10:14 am to sta4ever
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And how do you know that Les changes the plays? Do you have a headset and listen to what they talk about?
Did you watch the texas A&M game? les had the play sheet calling plays. it's why they had to rush several times because he had the play sheet, he's looking at plays, talked to cam in the booth, then rush the team out there to run it.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 10:14 am to a want
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And why is it that teams who get 2 star talent at QB end up being far better at that position?
1. Most of those 2 stars succeed in a "one read" offense. The plays are designed to go to one player. It's simple and effective if the QB is accurate.
2. 90% of those one read offenses are run entirely from the sidelines, even the protection schemes are called by the coach.
A pro-style offense revolves around a QB making all the protection calls and audibles at the LOS. It also requires them to make pre-snap reads to determine where they are going with the ball. They then have to go through progressions, move safeties with their eyes, and have a quick trigger to be successful.
Harris seems to have the protection scheme and audibles down, but he still struggles with pre-snap reads. He's also bad about moving the safeties and going through progressions. Add into all of this that he is not very accurate and you have a recipe for bad QB play.
He's also only a sophomore and will get better with time in the system.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 10:27 am to RB10
What do y’all feel is the #1 reason why our passing offense struggled so much?
A) Play calling (predictability, lack of receivers in routes, types of routes ran)
B) Harris’ inability to truly understand the play call and know where the play is designed to attack
C) Lack of field vision on Harris’ part and lack of progression through receivers
D) Simply inaccuracy on Harris’ throws
As much as we bash on Cam and Les for his involvement, I honestly believe that it is more Harris than anything so I will go with (D). I am not a fan of the 1 or 2 receiver routes and inability to attack different areas of a defense (Cam’s fault), but I think Harris is the bigger issues. He hasn’t learned how to take heat off the ball and drop a pass over the line and in front of the safeties. In high school, Harris was the same height as the line, he was starting from 5 to 7 yards deep and he wasn’t as concerned with the D-Line knocking his passes down. He could throw darts right above their heads and they were on target. Now that he is starting from under center and dropping back, then trying to throw over D-Linemen that are 6’-5” with tremendous wingspans and often in closer vicinity to him…his launch angle is now higher but his ball speed has remained the same. This does not allow the ball to drop back down to the target in time once it clears the D-Line. This is why I think the vast majority of his throws from the pocket are high and why he seems to throw the deep balls better than he does those in the middle of the field. I have never been to a LSU practice but I would love to see what drills they go through teaching him how to drop a ball 10 yards past an 8 foot high wall…or how to find throwing lanes through the wall instead of over it. I think Harris could be really good but he needs more/better coaching with different drills that will focus on the intermediate routes.
After further thought, I blame Les for not recruiting taller quarterbacks with less arm strength (just joking here in case someone couldn’t tell).
A) Play calling (predictability, lack of receivers in routes, types of routes ran)
B) Harris’ inability to truly understand the play call and know where the play is designed to attack
C) Lack of field vision on Harris’ part and lack of progression through receivers
D) Simply inaccuracy on Harris’ throws
As much as we bash on Cam and Les for his involvement, I honestly believe that it is more Harris than anything so I will go with (D). I am not a fan of the 1 or 2 receiver routes and inability to attack different areas of a defense (Cam’s fault), but I think Harris is the bigger issues. He hasn’t learned how to take heat off the ball and drop a pass over the line and in front of the safeties. In high school, Harris was the same height as the line, he was starting from 5 to 7 yards deep and he wasn’t as concerned with the D-Line knocking his passes down. He could throw darts right above their heads and they were on target. Now that he is starting from under center and dropping back, then trying to throw over D-Linemen that are 6’-5” with tremendous wingspans and often in closer vicinity to him…his launch angle is now higher but his ball speed has remained the same. This does not allow the ball to drop back down to the target in time once it clears the D-Line. This is why I think the vast majority of his throws from the pocket are high and why he seems to throw the deep balls better than he does those in the middle of the field. I have never been to a LSU practice but I would love to see what drills they go through teaching him how to drop a ball 10 yards past an 8 foot high wall…or how to find throwing lanes through the wall instead of over it. I think Harris could be really good but he needs more/better coaching with different drills that will focus on the intermediate routes.
After further thought, I blame Les for not recruiting taller quarterbacks with less arm strength (just joking here in case someone couldn’t tell).
Posted on 12/2/15 at 10:29 am to Crusty
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C) Lack of field vision on Harris’ part and lack of progression through receivers
D) Simply inaccuracy on Harris’ throws
Harris stares down his primary and rarely goes to the 2nd read. He also misses wide open receivers 3-4 times per game.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 10:45 am to RB10
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He also misses wide open receivers 3-4 times per game.
I agree with this, but if you watch the games again, even when his receivers catch the ball...the ball is high. He can't get it over the line without it sailing. Thank God that Dupree and Dural can jump out of the gym. Well...Dural used to be able to until he tried to pull another high pass down in the end zone and was flipped onto his back.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:36 am to Crusty
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What do y’all feel is the #1 reason why our passing offense struggled so much?
A) Play calling (predictability, lack of receivers in routes, types of routes ran)
B) Harris’ inability to truly understand the play call and know where the play is designed to attack
C) Lack of field vision on Harris’ part and lack of progression through receivers
D) Simply inaccuracy on Harris’ throws
We have done a poor job at developing QBs, thats obvious. Consequently, BH has to have the game plan dialed down to be easier for him. Countless times, he overthrows players in the flats that should be an easy toss.
In the end the answer is D IMO. He needs to be better, but I don't think he needs to be much better. I don't understand how we got away from the I-formation running with Buga. After the Bama game its like we didn't want to try it. I would love to know the yards per play of the I-formation vs any other run play. With buga AND a FB, you are almost guaranteed a 3+ yard, unless playing bama. I hate this "misdirection" crap. Just let #7 fall forward.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:43 am to RichardCranium
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Alleva sure can't tell Miles what to do anymore. He's Miles' friend and don't forget Les doesn't think anythings broke.
Yep.
And Les' academy award winning acting job on Saturday night was all one gigantic frick you to Alleva.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:44 am to Hugo Stiglitz
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Cam has shown what he can do with the right quarterback. Les also needs to quit changing the plays Cam calls.
Amen
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