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Gary Crowton
Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:34 pm
Was he a victim of being handcuffed like all the other OC's? He was a former NFL OC (only 1 year) but I read that his offenses were typically explosive and very aggressive. Hmmmmmm.
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Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:35 pm to BoudinMafia
He's been terrible everywhere he's been.
Gary Crowton is bad because of Gary Crowton, not Les Miles.
Gary Crowton is bad because of Gary Crowton, not Les Miles.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:35 pm to BoudinMafia
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Gary Crowton
What has he done since leaving LSU? (serious question, not sure I've heard his name since LSU)
Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:36 pm to BoudinMafia
He was a victim of a control freak, egotistical, head coach with an antiquated offensive scheme that doesn't allow for modern offensive schemes.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:37 pm to BoudinMafia
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Was he a victim of being handcuffed like all the other OC's?
Do we really need to spell this out?
Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:37 pm to BoudinMafia
he didn't help his case elsewhere
Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:37 pm to burdman
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What has he done since leaving LSU? (serious question, not sure I've heard his name since LSU)
Maryland OC 2011
Winnipeg Blue Bombers OC 2012-2013
Southern Utah OC 2014-2015
Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:37 pm to BoudinMafia
No, he's the reason Les is the way he is today. Les turned the offense over to Crowton in 2007, and it was obviously very successful when run by a talented, experienced 5th year senior. When we tried to run the same wide open offense with Lee in 2008, the year of the Pick 6 occurred and Les obviously vowed to never let that happen again. He decided that he would run the ball, play superior defense and special teams, win more than he lost and have job security for life. And he's pretty much gotten away with it ever since.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:39 pm to tigerinthebueche
funny because we used lots of spread H back spread ofset TE spread and spread options this year but HEY
Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:39 pm to BoudinMafia
Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:43 pm to Titan
2007 Crowton was really a wonderful thing to watch, minus the second half v UK. End around/reverse options with Perrilloux and Holliday, extensive use of patch catching Dickson, deep crossing routes with Lafell, Toliver, Doucet and Byrd. A thing of beauty at times.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:49 pm to BoudinMafia
2007 we saw how good Crowton's offense could be with seasoned guys everywhere (Flynn, Hester, Doucetm, Byrd, LaFell)
Then we saw how badly it unravels when we young QBs the next year and ever since then Miles has had near complete control of the offense.
Jarrett Lee & Gary Crowton set this program back badly on offense and a lot of people dont realize that with what happened in 2008.
Then we saw how badly it unravels when we young QBs the next year and ever since then Miles has had near complete control of the offense.
Jarrett Lee & Gary Crowton set this program back badly on offense and a lot of people dont realize that with what happened in 2008.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:53 pm to BoudinMafia
some may have read this interview with crowton from the Baltimore sun from 2011. He verifies what most suspected.
LINK
In a 50-minute interview, Crowton said bluntly that "No, it wasn't my offense" at LSU and that it would be unfair to make assessments based soley on those four years.
"Were there parts of that offense that were mine? Yeah. The philosophy that Coach Miles had was to be good on defense, be good on special teams and win it in the fourth quarter," Crowton said. "We won a lot of games in the fourth quarter. We beat Auburn twice in the fourth quarter. What it did is it shortened the game. We didn't have a lot of offensive plays. When you look statistically, it wasn't great, but that wasn't our goal. Our goal was to win games. We won 40 in four years."
LINK
In a 50-minute interview, Crowton said bluntly that "No, it wasn't my offense" at LSU and that it would be unfair to make assessments based soley on those four years.
"Were there parts of that offense that were mine? Yeah. The philosophy that Coach Miles had was to be good on defense, be good on special teams and win it in the fourth quarter," Crowton said. "We won a lot of games in the fourth quarter. We beat Auburn twice in the fourth quarter. What it did is it shortened the game. We didn't have a lot of offensive plays. When you look statistically, it wasn't great, but that wasn't our goal. Our goal was to win games. We won 40 in four years."
Posted on 11/30/15 at 4:06 pm to BoudinMafia
Crowton had a top offense at Byu . A top , #8 or 9 offense at Oregon, too offense at LA tech and when he gets here we were around # 117-120.
IT'S NOT THE O/C'S
IT'S NOT THE O/C'S
Posted on 11/30/15 at 4:09 pm to OldManRiver
he's the reason Les is the way he is today. Les turned the offense over to Crowton in 2007, and it was obviously very successful when run by a talented, experienced 5th year senior. When we tried to run the same wide open offense with Lee in 2008, the year of the Pick 6 occurred and Les obviously vowed to never let that happen again. He decided that he would run the ball, play superior defense and special teams, win more than he lost and have job security for life. And he's pretty much gotten away with it ever since.
This^^^ is spot on. And really has been the crux of our offensive woes for the past 7 years
This^^^ is spot on. And really has been the crux of our offensive woes for the past 7 years
Posted on 11/30/15 at 6:29 pm to lsubuddy
(Long... sorry) But I have some experience with Crowton, and would like to share.
I've been a long time viewer on TD, but figured I might post on this topic... I've been a life long LSU fan, due in part to my grandparents and dad being alumni and therefore raising me in LSU football.
I actually have some first hand experience with Gary Crowton. I was a walk-on WR at La Tech in his offense. I went to La Tech for their great pre-med program, and a chance to play in such an explosive offense. My freshman year was his last year at Tech, before he took the Chicago Bears OC job. After he left, I decided to leave football in order to place more focus on my pre-med studies, etc. It was a hard decision, because I moved forward enough on the depth charts to have had opportunities to play much as a soph, and start as a Jr. and Sr. It was the right decision, as now I am a physician in S. Alabama (yeah, pray for me... its tough being a Tiger fan here! lol). But, nevertheless, I did have a solid year in Crowton's system and I can offer some opinion here...
At Tech, his offenses were at or near the top in the nation, with multiple NCAA records broken. It was an extremely exciting offense to be involved in, especially since most of the nation was still running I, Veer, bone, etc. (power running games). It was a very complex system, but it was fun to learn, and the explosive nature of it appealed to many we recruited (i.e. Luke McCown, who was a top 10 QB nationally, whom could have committed to a bigger program).
I remember being very excited when LSU hired him to start the 2007 season. I sat down with a friend who is a LSU alumn/die hard fan, to watch the MSU season opener. I was telling him all about our offenses at Tech, and what I hoped Crowton would bring to LSU. Well, the first half of that game was pretty stale. We came out in 2TE, 2 back sets, and run a very vanilla offense. My friend would tease me with a "I thought this offense was something special..." I could only reply with the fact that we NEVER had sets like that while at Tech. (Now in restrospect, it was the Miles offense).
If you remember, in the 2nd half, we came out with multiple sets. Pistol, 3 and 4 wides, some hurry up, etc. We took shots over the top, etc. We came out in the 2nd half with the Crowton offense that I knew, and we destroyed Miss. St.
A few weeks later, when we dismantled Va Tech, I remember one of their DBs telling Early Doucet something to the effect of "Man, we dont know what in the hell your offense is doing. We are lost! Whoever is calling your offense, is a beast!"
It was hard to sit back and not chime in when I saw everybody blaming Crowton for everything. Now that more time has elapsed, we have seen different OCs and a very similar, and at times the same, offensive style. And no... we NEVER ran a short side option at Tech. EVER! Yes, I know that Gary Crowton hasnt exactly gone on too bigger and better things as of late, but all I can account for was my time around him in the fall of '98. His offenses were genius then, and the 2007 season was great for our Tigers, also. In 2008, we all know well about the Perriloux expulsion and the rawness of Jarrett Lee causing some problems. I agree, that I think it was this that caused Miles to seize much more control again of his offenses.
Like many, I love Miles, and I appreciate his strong character and virtue, and he is great with the kids. His recruiting successes are largely reflective of that. I would, however, like him to hire a good OC and then stay the mess away from the offense and play calling. He should just be a CEO/figurehead head coach, and not mettle with the offense.
Thanks for reading my 2 cents worth...
I've been a long time viewer on TD, but figured I might post on this topic... I've been a life long LSU fan, due in part to my grandparents and dad being alumni and therefore raising me in LSU football.
I actually have some first hand experience with Gary Crowton. I was a walk-on WR at La Tech in his offense. I went to La Tech for their great pre-med program, and a chance to play in such an explosive offense. My freshman year was his last year at Tech, before he took the Chicago Bears OC job. After he left, I decided to leave football in order to place more focus on my pre-med studies, etc. It was a hard decision, because I moved forward enough on the depth charts to have had opportunities to play much as a soph, and start as a Jr. and Sr. It was the right decision, as now I am a physician in S. Alabama (yeah, pray for me... its tough being a Tiger fan here! lol). But, nevertheless, I did have a solid year in Crowton's system and I can offer some opinion here...
At Tech, his offenses were at or near the top in the nation, with multiple NCAA records broken. It was an extremely exciting offense to be involved in, especially since most of the nation was still running I, Veer, bone, etc. (power running games). It was a very complex system, but it was fun to learn, and the explosive nature of it appealed to many we recruited (i.e. Luke McCown, who was a top 10 QB nationally, whom could have committed to a bigger program).
I remember being very excited when LSU hired him to start the 2007 season. I sat down with a friend who is a LSU alumn/die hard fan, to watch the MSU season opener. I was telling him all about our offenses at Tech, and what I hoped Crowton would bring to LSU. Well, the first half of that game was pretty stale. We came out in 2TE, 2 back sets, and run a very vanilla offense. My friend would tease me with a "I thought this offense was something special..." I could only reply with the fact that we NEVER had sets like that while at Tech. (Now in restrospect, it was the Miles offense).
If you remember, in the 2nd half, we came out with multiple sets. Pistol, 3 and 4 wides, some hurry up, etc. We took shots over the top, etc. We came out in the 2nd half with the Crowton offense that I knew, and we destroyed Miss. St.
A few weeks later, when we dismantled Va Tech, I remember one of their DBs telling Early Doucet something to the effect of "Man, we dont know what in the hell your offense is doing. We are lost! Whoever is calling your offense, is a beast!"
It was hard to sit back and not chime in when I saw everybody blaming Crowton for everything. Now that more time has elapsed, we have seen different OCs and a very similar, and at times the same, offensive style. And no... we NEVER ran a short side option at Tech. EVER! Yes, I know that Gary Crowton hasnt exactly gone on too bigger and better things as of late, but all I can account for was my time around him in the fall of '98. His offenses were genius then, and the 2007 season was great for our Tigers, also. In 2008, we all know well about the Perriloux expulsion and the rawness of Jarrett Lee causing some problems. I agree, that I think it was this that caused Miles to seize much more control again of his offenses.
Like many, I love Miles, and I appreciate his strong character and virtue, and he is great with the kids. His recruiting successes are largely reflective of that. I would, however, like him to hire a good OC and then stay the mess away from the offense and play calling. He should just be a CEO/figurehead head coach, and not mettle with the offense.
Thanks for reading my 2 cents worth...
This post was edited on 11/30/15 at 6:31 pm
Posted on 11/30/15 at 6:33 pm to BoudinMafia
2007 was a record setting offense. 2008 was productive outside of the turnovers...the defense also sucked that year. After that point, everyone was handcuffed
Posted on 11/30/15 at 6:36 pm to DocRock
Nice, appreciate the (educated) info!
Posted on 11/30/15 at 6:38 pm to BoudinMafia
Ahhh, the Wizard
lol
lol
Posted on 11/30/15 at 6:48 pm to Geert Hammink_43
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In a 50-minute interview, Crowton said bluntly that "No, it wasn't my offense" at LSU and that it would be unfair to make assessments based soley on those four years.
Nice...I guess that answers my question, doesn't it?
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