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Investment Properties: who's got them?

Posted on 10/5/15 at 7:18 pm
Posted by AUGDawg
Montana
Member since Nov 2014
1912 posts
Posted on 10/5/15 at 7:18 pm
Any recommendations from people with experience? Pros/cons

I have some money to dump into something (other than my retirement), and I've always wanted to get into it
Posted by Iowa Golfer
Heaven
Member since Dec 2013
10248 posts
Posted on 10/5/15 at 9:38 pm to
It's work. It's profitable if done correctly, but make no mistake, it's work.
Posted by Grits N Shrimp
Kansas City, MO
Member since Dec 2014
647 posts
Posted on 10/5/15 at 9:41 pm to
I'd recommend identifying someone with experience who's also in acquisition mode and partnering with them. Lot to bite off by yourself without experience
Posted by PeteRose
Hall of Fame
Member since Aug 2014
16991 posts
Posted on 10/5/15 at 9:57 pm to
i was nervous at first, but like all things you will get used to it over time.
Posted by ynlvr
Rocket City
Member since Feb 2009
4613 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:12 pm to
Don't overpay for starters.

Due diligence on tenants.

Keep a close eye on your property.

Good to be handy or have someone that is low cost to do it.

Selling out of several properties now. Gonna put my money in conservative financial investment vehicles. Done with the landlord run.
Posted by Serraneaux
South of 30a
Member since Mar 2014
19954 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 4:46 pm to
I have one that I just bought a few months ago. It's worked great so far. I looked for several years around Nashville before finally deciding to do something at a certain price and location. I got a condo with very low HOA dues (this way I don't have to worry about the outside at all). I was very nervous after I first did it but it has been pretty smooth. I've learned a lot already in the process. Biggest personal recommendations that I have is to get a property close to your house or to your work. You are going to show it, go make repairs, or meet service people than it better be convenient to you, otherwise it makes it a bigger pain the A$$. Also, I finally decided on something that rents out in the $1200-1300 range and was strict on the tenant income level and credit check and with rent in that range, I feel that I am just above the problem tenant line. I know anybody can be late on rent but this range seems to be people who have degrees and professional jobs vs something with lower rent and maybe not so stable jobs. The people I rent to are recent college grads and I have had no issues yet.
Posted by mahdragonz
Member since Jun 2013
6962 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 5:58 pm to
Second on the due diligence for tenants.

Fix the little things quickly. Pissed people learn to frick things up when something like their toilet or AC doesn't work.

Treat people with respect. Tenants, handy people, the neighbors.

Keep invoices for everything. Every thing....especially with deposits and improvements on the property.

If you are doing any section 8 leasing, have someone familiar with the leasing go over it. There are a lot of conflicting terms depending on what type of property you are leasing, especially with multi-family units.

No matter if you have in the lease that there are no pets or there's a deposit for pets, expect to pay twice whatever you've allotted for pet filth.

Some of the best tenants we've had we worked with on the deposit/first/last month's rent. A few stretching it out over 3 or 4 months. If you can work with people, it's often worth it.

And yeah, due diligence.
Posted by hawgfaninc
https://youtu.be/torc9P4-k5A
Member since Nov 2011
46528 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 6:37 pm to
quote:

Biggest personal recommendations that I have is to get a property close to your house or to your work. You are going to show it, go make repairs, or meet service people than it better be convenient to you, otherwise it makes it a bigger pain the A$$

this is key. if my two properties weren't right next door to me, I wouldn't mess with investment properties.

but that's if you go small. if you buy enough properties to make it worth it, like 30 properties, you can get a management company and avoid the hassle.
Posted by Fat Bastard
coach, investor, gambler
Member since Mar 2009
73739 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 7:50 pm to
quote:


this is key.


wow. you've been misled.

quote:

like 30 properties, you can get a management company and avoid the hassle.




you do not need 30 properties before getting a management company if you know what you are doing.
Posted by JoseVargasTX
Heath, TX
Member since Sep 2011
720 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 9:20 pm to
Just did a lease purchase on my first one today--I bought it for $90,000; lease purchase for $132,500. 12 month option that is renewable, $150 a month of the $1,150 rent goes towards principal amount of property. My tenants are responsible for all maintenance and all improvements on the property. After 12 months if they can't get traditional financing, we can terminate and they walk with nothing or we can re-up for another 12 months. I feel really good about my first one here!
Posted by GoIrish02
Member since Mar 2012
1391 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 9:30 pm to
How have others dealt with the phase out of rental losses once your MAGI exceeds $150,000?

My wife and I have a townhouse in Metairie and a condo in the warehouse district that rent for $2,500 and $2,300 respectively, and now we cannot use our $25,000 in annual rental losses to offset our our income from our regular jobs. Annual losses are about $40,000 each year once you count depreciation and net income is about $10,000 from both properties. I'm getting a little disappointed with no immediate tax benefits beyond the accumulated suspended losses to carry forward until resale at some point in the future.

We probably only spend 150 hours a year managing both properties, nowhere near the IRS 750 hours per year and 50%+ of all annual hours worked test required to be a real estate professional and claim unlimited losses. The properties are high end, well maintained with good tenants and we have good contractors to address any issues.

Can we start an LLC property management company to create more hours spent on paper? This still wouldn't meet the test because we both have professional jobs that entail 2,000+ hours per year.
Posted by hawgfaninc
https://youtu.be/torc9P4-k5A
Member since Nov 2011
46528 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 9:51 pm to
quote:

wow. you've been misled.

How have I been misled?
quote:

you do not need 30 properties before getting a management company if you know what you are doing.

I said like 30, not exactly 30.

How many do you need for a management company to make financial sense?
Posted by threeputt
God's Country
Member since Sep 2008
24792 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 10:25 pm to
I've had them for about seven years. Usually have very good tenants and not much maintainace. I think I've replaced one stove top, one fence, one hot water heater and an A/C unit in the seven years that I have been doing this. I'm not handy at all so Ive hired people to do all the work. No problem at all.

One of my tenants moved out this week and the house is in terrible condition. Needs a deep cleaning, some new carpet/flooring, paint/wall paper, yard needs re sodding (must have had a dog), landscaping etc. probably cost me at least six months rent to get the house back in shape to list it ... I may just put it up for sale after the work is done. I'm not sure yet.
Posted by AUGDawg
Montana
Member since Nov 2014
1912 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 10:26 pm to
I recently found the real estate thread...it's incredible. I posted this in it



I've taken the advise of the board, and have started reading Bigger Pockets. Quite frankly, this thread has also helped out greatly, and inspired me to finally pull the trigger.

A couple questions:

1) From your experience, what's the fastest and most effective way to reach out and acquire quality renters? Sign in the yard/craigslist/using a realtor?

2) I have a full time job, and this will be my side job. Is it necessary to form an LLC if you only have <3 properties.

3) How much of a down payment did you put down on your first property? I'm just trying to figure out what a safe amount of $ would be to set aside to put into the home after the initial purchase of the property.
Posted by threeputt
God's Country
Member since Sep 2008
24792 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 10:31 pm to
1) I've just put a sign in the yard and I've had great success. This is the first vacant house I've had in about three years. If I decide to list again, I will probably use craigslist as well.

2) I'm not really sure why you would form a LLC. I don't see the need to do so.

3) I put down 25% on my first one and 20% on each one after.
Posted by weadjust
Member since Aug 2012
15199 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 11:03 pm to
I own a few. Do all repair/remodels except HVAC. Usually put a sign in the yard. The biggest return on investment has been this

Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
69430 posts
Posted on 10/7/15 at 12:51 am to
quote:

If you are doing any section 8 leasing, have someone familiar with the leasing go over it


If you do Section 8, make sure you have it independently inspected before any scheduled HUD inspection. I just had a customer fail for a "broken oven door". He failed inspection and contract was to be revoked over this because it counted as a faulty oven. What was stupid about it was the bottom drawer is just for pot and pan storage and it wasn't broken it just had something underneath it that kept it from sliding back.

It's just crazy how easily they can fail you.
Posted by z71 Rebel
Orange Beach
Member since Mar 2012
144 posts
Posted on 10/7/15 at 12:14 pm to
If you plan on getting in to Section 8 or lower income properties, I can't stress enough the importance of reading "The Section 8 Bible" Vol 1&2. It's great for starters and you avoid headaches and save money in the process.
Posted by PLaneTiger
Member since Jun 2014
863 posts
Posted on 10/7/15 at 3:43 pm to
My dad has quite a few and has done fairly well with them. The key to success is obviously getting the right property. He has only bought houses in relatively low income areas. The reason why is in those areas pretty much everyone is renting and you can get the houses for pretty cheap. We usually have to put a little work into them. With so many applicants, you get the pick of the litter, which is usually a small family one or no kids with a good credit report.
Posted by AUGDawg
Montana
Member since Nov 2014
1912 posts
Posted on 10/7/15 at 8:09 pm to
That was one of my worries. Is it hard to rent out a nice 4 bedroom home? I always assumed once people got to that level, they were looking to buy.

One advantage I have is I am near a military base
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