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re: Dad Writes Gag Check to Son's Elementary School Using Common Core Math
Posted on 9/24/15 at 9:46 am to PrivatePublic
Posted on 9/24/15 at 9:46 am to PrivatePublic
they aren't taking number theory here. They are learning a method and problem solving. It will help them out immensely in the long run. In school I tutored so many people who just couldn't get math because they didn't understand that it was about the method and how you get from a to b. You'll thank common core when you kid doesn't have to switch majors due to a math course they can't pass because they haven't been exposed to how it truly works until that time. It really was sad to see people try so hard, spending hours and hours working on this course to finally get the C and know that they still didn't grasp it enough to apply what they just learned in their upcoming major cours.
This post was edited on 9/24/15 at 9:48 am
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Posted on 9/24/15 at 9:50 am to CajunAlum Tiger Fan
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Parents hate common core math because they don't understand it and can't help their children with homework like they can with other subjects. If a parent doesn't understand enough to help their children, the children are doomed because schools sure aren't getting it done during school hours.
right on...I didn't understand what I thought was BS math at the Montessori when my son was 4...but dang at 12 years old he can eat my lunch with the math computations he can solve.
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This post was edited on 9/24/15 at 9:51 am
Posted on 9/24/15 at 9:54 am to MyNameIsNobody
Unless the parents complaining think they are stellar at math, a new method should be pretty refreshing. In my experience a lot of people coming in were actually scared of math and had convinced themselves they couldn't do it before they even started.
This post was edited on 9/24/15 at 9:55 am
Posted on 9/24/15 at 9:59 am to DownSouthDave
quote:There are different beefs depending on who one asks. I can tell from experience, it's a PITA come homework time because the kids are not given books. Screw the school board for making me learn math again at 48
What's the beef with Eurika math? I'm honestly asking. I haven't found much on why it's so hated. I've seen people complaining that you create 4 problems to solve 1 and that they don't understand it.
But seriously, I am in the camp that it's great for average and below average students, but not so much for above average ones.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 10:23 am to AlxTgr
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Screw the school board for making me learn math again at 48
That's funny...I'm 45 and kind of glad that they are learning it this way. I was a horrendously poor math student from very early on...none of it ever clicked. I've helped my two sons with their homework daily for years now and have joked that I'm better at math now than I was.
It all simply looks and feels more intuitive.
In the end, as a shitty math student myself, I'm going by the recommendations of people who seem to be very good at math, and unless there is simple political reason for them to be against it, most seem to agree that this will lead to a better understanding and deeper grasp further down the road.
The old way did not work for me, so I'm open to change.
That being said, both sons are killing math at this point so and my 8th grader is, sadly for me, beyond my ability to grasp WTF he's doing any more. While that's good news for him, it says more about my shortcomings than anything I think...
Posted on 9/24/15 at 10:30 am to dpd901
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They still teach the old method first.
Good to know.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 10:30 am to Martini
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I just don't get the complete hatred for Common Core. This is 2015 and times change.
The hatred comes from Teachers who like to complain about change, reaching out to stay at home moms that like to complain on Facebook. Those two camps love each other because it is much easier to complain than it is to learn new concepts and teach them to our children.
ETA: Oh, and the do-nothing Dads, like in the OP, are all too eager to join in, because it is easier to resist change.
This post was edited on 9/24/15 at 10:32 am
Posted on 9/24/15 at 10:34 am to jrodLSUke
This dad really is a joke. People complain we're falling behind in the maths and sciences but when we try to do something to make kids think critically and understand math on a deeper level at a younger age:
"Where my country gone??"
"Where my country gone??"
Posted on 9/24/15 at 10:37 am to hendersonshands
Don't worry, Trump will put a stop to Common Core. One day our kids will have the math skills of Trump Supporters.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 10:39 am to jrodLSUke
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The hatred comes from Teachers who like to complain about change
This year at open house for my 8th grader, his advanced math teacher, surely due to complaints and from a general sense of the way things have become, felt the need to massage the fact that she actually LIKES Common Core and that parents should feel comfortable with it. She was clearly VERY happy with it, and spoke about math and numbers in a way that seemed so foreign to me as a guy who was terrified of math class from early on...but she obviously felt the need to couch that excitement for fear of rubbing some in the group the wrong way.
My wife and I went up to her afterwards and thanked her for being on board with it. Aside from parents who are not, nothing's going to make this entire project fail faster than teacher who openly mock and deride the system while pretending to teach it. Kind of like asking a kid to do chores, watch them purposefully do a shitty job drying dishes since they didn't want to in the first place, and them blame the rag for the fact that it was done so poorly.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 10:40 am to GeauxTigerTM
quote:I would probably be less hostile to it if the kid had an actual book instead of what looks like a page torn from a workbook. I was a good math student. When something didn't click, I could read the intro and look at examples. Bam, i got it. Now, i don't get to do that. I am confronted with a problem that I can answer, but not the way it must be answered, and I have no teaching nor an example to go by.
That's funny...I'm 45 and kind of glad that they are learning it this way. I was a horrendously poor math student from very early on...none of it ever clicked. I've helped my two sons with their homework daily for years now and have joked that I'm better at math now than I was.
It all simply looks and feels more intuitive.
The good news is, my kid rarely needs help with the math stuff. The English homework...my God they ask some stupid questions.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 11:11 am to AlxTgr
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I would probably be less hostile to it if the kid had an actual book instead of what looks like a page torn from a workbook. I was a good math student. When something didn't click, I could read the intro and look at examples. Bam, i got it. Now, i don't get to do that. I am confronted with a problem that I can answer, but not the way it must be answered, and I have no teaching nor an example to go by.
Well, that's an entirely other question and one with which I agree. Rarely does my 3rd grader bring home an actual book. They almost always leave that in class. My oldest used to bring them home, so it was a help in going over what they had done that day, especially in science. Now, the 3rd grader brings home workbooks which are just the night's homework assignments. If there is an issue in how to do a thing, the best bet is just to go back and look over the work he did that day in the workbook...which is not the ideal way.
All that being said, even for my poor math skills much of what he does looks counter-intuitive at some point. Eventually though, I have seen the point which is to get them prepared to use this method later on. Now...I'm assuming this method will be preferable later on, and am going by the word of people far better at math than myself. Maybe if I was better at math I'd be more beholden to the way I had learned it and understood it. As I am not, I'm far more open to an alternative method.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 11:17 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
If you don't like common core, you have the right to chose to send your children to a private school that does not have to participate in common core
Posted on 9/24/15 at 11:35 am to efrad
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not just how to add two fricking numbers together.
But the point is to add the 2 #s together and get the correct answer......and I agree about the calculator, if u have one.
Guess which method the calculator uses, asswipe!
Hint: It's not common core
Posted on 9/24/15 at 11:55 am to GeeOH
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But the point is to add the 2 #s together and get the correct answer
Surely if the point was to get the answer then the teacher could just figure out the problem herself and she wouldn't even need to ask a classroom full of children about basic arithmetic?
No... the point is to teach children about mathematics.
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Guess which method the calculator uses, asswipe!
Hint: It's not common core
Yes... a calculator will use algorithms to add numbers. But try asking the calculator how math works. It can't tell you, because a calculator is actually dumb as shite.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 11:58 am to DrSteveBrule
Damn, some people have no sense of humor. I thought it was funny.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 12:12 pm to RogerTheShrubber
It was. There is a ton of eye rolling going on in this thread that is misplaced. Most parents, like myself, have zero issues with alternative teaching methods. Most people don't like CC because it's just another step toward the de localization of education, not because it shows kids a different way to learn.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 12:21 pm to MiloTealeaf
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And why are we teaching kids the alphabet? I don't recite it when I read sentences.
This makes absolutely no sense. Is this the crutch to your argument for Common Core in Math?
Posted on 9/24/15 at 12:30 pm to Sneaky__Sally
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They are learning a method and problem solving.
For simple arithmetic?
Jesus, we aren't talking about 7th grade Pre-Algebra here, we're talking about simple problems like 5*8 and 14-23.
Common core that early is overkill.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 12:32 pm to Plankton
Common core rocks most of yall fricking suck at math anyway so why listen to you?
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