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re: Dad Writes Gag Check to Son's Elementary School Using Common Core Math
Posted on 9/24/15 at 3:40 pm to BarberitosDawg
Posted on 9/24/15 at 3:40 pm to BarberitosDawg
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I'm pretty open to this approach for core math the only thing I would stress would be the banning of calculators until a student achieves a learning level where they are ready to take on calculus.
You need to learn to do it in your head and focus on problem solving so that when you are faced with a real crisis in business or life you simply act or react with the correct solution which is the point of the exercise.
Yet, people on this board advocate just using a calculator for everything... why learn math when you have a calculator... it is scary.
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Posted on 9/24/15 at 3:43 pm to CajunAlum Tiger Fan
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Parents hate common core math because they don't understand it and can't help their children with homework like they can with other subjects. If a parent doesn't understand enough to help their children, the children are doomed because schools sure aren't getting it done during school hours.
Or, maybe the parent could do a little research and learn about it. If it's something that they are teaching elementary school kids, it shouldn't take educated adults long at all to figure it out on their own, and then they can help their kids.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 3:51 pm to AlxTgr
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I would probably be less hostile to it if the kid had an actual book instead of what looks like a page torn from a workbook. I was a good math student. When something didn't click, I could read the intro and look at examples.
My kid has two math workbooks - one for classwork and one for homework. She brings them both home each night. So if there is a question in the homework book we don't understand, we can look in the classwork book and figure it out.
Tell your school to stop being cheap!
Posted on 9/24/15 at 3:54 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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First...and I know this is odd in 2015...I'd wait until I felt there was an actual issue before running to social media to bitch about the perils of such and such long before such perils actually occurred.
I'm not going to respond to all of that strawman blabbering about social media, bad parents, and intelligent design. Those things have nothing to do with any of my comments.
Once again, my beef is not with common core. or even consistent standards. I'm responding to your comment that we should just hand education over to the feds because Lousiana sucks. I'm not ready to toss the keys over to the same idiots that run Amtrack and the Postal Service. There IS no turning back from federal control of schools and we are already throwing $9K per student down a black hole in the current public school system with no end in sight. We have no way of knowing if the outcomes would even be better, but somehow people like you just assume it will be.
My school isn't broken and I don't want politicians trying to "fix" it. If it needs to be fixed, my fellow parents and teachers will drive that change. Where other Louisiana schools "rank" nationally is of no consequence to me.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 3:56 pm to Vacherie Saint
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What do you do as a parent when the school standards, cirriculum, and teaching methods are all dictated by the federal government, cause that is where this ride end
Same thing that happens when BESE and the local school districts makes those decisions - not a damn thing.
If parents want to have control over education - there is a solution for that - home school.
You said your kids go to private school. That's a totally different situation - for the reasons you mentioned.
Do you really think who you elect to the local school board makes any difference in the way education is conducted?
Posted on 9/24/15 at 3:56 pm to Plankton
you might be, but then again you might not be. It is sort of my "field" - I'm sure it is yours too based on your comment.
I don't think the link you provided supports your statement as much as you think it does though.
I don't think the link you provided supports your statement as much as you think it does though.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 4:01 pm to Vacherie Saint
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My school isn't broken and I don't want politicians trying to "fix" it.
Again, your kids are in a private school. Why are you ranting about the government fixing a private school? Not gonna happen.
If and when someone - anyone - in the federal government advocates getting rid of all local and state school boards, and that every public school in America will report - and be funded by - DC (i.e. like the post office) then I'll pay attention. Otherwise, your comments about the federal takeover of education are ignorant, garbage, and misleading. Therefore, it's hard to take seriously anything else you - or your fellow tin-foil wearers - say.
This post was edited on 9/24/15 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 9/24/15 at 4:17 pm to LSUFanHouston
Jesus, fella! You are drowning in strawmen. I'm responding to YOUR COMMENT about federal takeover, not some imagined paranoia you have assigned to me.
I'm not suggesting there is an imminent takeover of schools afoot, nor have I said as much. I only believe that federal standards baked into CC can be a means to that end if we are not careful - which is the real issue many people have with the standards.
And as for private schools in Lousiana that receive public educations funds, they most certainly are subject to the government oversight tied to those funds. This is the case with my children's school which is the only reason we are teaching the methods of CC in the first place.
I'm not suggesting there is an imminent takeover of schools afoot, nor have I said as much. I only believe that federal standards baked into CC can be a means to that end if we are not careful - which is the real issue many people have with the standards.
And as for private schools in Lousiana that receive public educations funds, they most certainly are subject to the government oversight tied to those funds. This is the case with my children's school which is the only reason we are teaching the methods of CC in the first place.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 4:27 pm to Vacherie Saint
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I'm responding to YOUR COMMENT about federal takeover
Not quite.
Your comments on this thread include:
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Most people don't like CC because it's just another step toward the de localization of education, not because it shows kids a different way to learn.
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What do you do as a parent when the school standards, cirriculum, and teaching methods are all dictated by the federal government, cause that is where this ride end
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I'm responding to your comment that we should just hand education over to the feds because Lousiana sucks. I'm not ready to toss the keys over to the same idiots that run Amtrack and the Postal Service. There IS no turning back from federal control of schools and we are already throwing $9K per student down a black hole in the current public school system with no end in sight
If that's not implying that a federal takeover is imminent in this world of CC, then I don't know what to say.
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And as for private schools in Lousiana that receive public educations funds, they most certainly are subject to the government oversight tied to those funds. This is the case with my children's school which is the only reason we are teaching the methods of CC in the first place
Your private school could always turn down the small amount of money it gets for textbooks. If avoiding CC was that important to your school.
However, I actually had a conversation with a friend who is principal at a local Catholic school - who told me that it's almost impossible to find math workbooks at this point that are not aligned to CC, and the same with math and english textbooks. So he said as these textbooks become unusuable over time, they will have to move to CC.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 4:44 pm to Vacherie Saint
Ok, here's the deal... Common Core was not developed by nor administered by the Federal Government. It was developed by a consortium of 31 states, most of which are Red states. Period! It's not a federal program in any way, shape or form. To say otherwise in an outright lie.
The Federal Government did make grant money available to help cover the cost of implementation at the state level, but it wasn't enough money to cover the full cost, so it's ludicrous to think that states were "bribed" by and are now beholden to the Fed because of Common Core. Again, the Federal Government played ZERO role in the development of the standards. There is ZERO Federal mandate that dictates how schools teach to the standards.
Now, as far as Private Schools go, the arch diocese of New Orleans has far and away been the gold standard for education in Lousisana for Decades opted to adopt Common Core standards and aligned curriculum without a single dollar from the Fed for implementation. They did is solely because they felt the standards and techniques had merit. That is straight from the director of the Diocese of Houma-Thibodaux's mouth. You can call her yourself if you're polite, she'll spend all the time you want discussing the topic.
The notion that Common Core is a Federal takeover of education is a complete fallacy, and if it's your opposition, then get over it. It's not real.
The Federal Government did make grant money available to help cover the cost of implementation at the state level, but it wasn't enough money to cover the full cost, so it's ludicrous to think that states were "bribed" by and are now beholden to the Fed because of Common Core. Again, the Federal Government played ZERO role in the development of the standards. There is ZERO Federal mandate that dictates how schools teach to the standards.
Now, as far as Private Schools go, the arch diocese of New Orleans has far and away been the gold standard for education in Lousisana for Decades opted to adopt Common Core standards and aligned curriculum without a single dollar from the Fed for implementation. They did is solely because they felt the standards and techniques had merit. That is straight from the director of the Diocese of Houma-Thibodaux's mouth. You can call her yourself if you're polite, she'll spend all the time you want discussing the topic.
The notion that Common Core is a Federal takeover of education is a complete fallacy, and if it's your opposition, then get over it. It's not real.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 5:05 pm to Vacherie Saint
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I'm not going to respond to all of that strawman blabbering about social media, bad parents, and intelligent design. Those things have nothing to do with any of my comments.
The minute locals quit trying to jam things like creationism down the throats of children via school boards, come back to me. When you say local control, I see asshats standing before school boards making fools of themselves trying to pretend a scientific theory means guess. Again...no thanks.
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I'm responding to your comment that we should just hand education over to the feds because Lousiana sucks.
Well...it does. Or are we going to argue about the sad state of affairs that is the Louisiana public school system?
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I'm not ready to toss the keys over to the same idiots that run Amtrack and the Postal Service.
What was that you were saying about strawmen...?
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We have no way of knowing if the outcomes would even be better, but somehow people like you just assume it will be.
No...I assume it can't be worse, because what we already have is horrific in this state. Again...if we were in a state that ranked even in the top half, you could make this argument with a straight face. Given we're lower 40's...? Nope, no solid argument for continued LA control can legitimately be made, and if it could you'd have made it by now.
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My school isn't broken and I don't want politicians trying to "fix" it.
Your state's system is, whether yours or my schools specifically are. I'm happy about the change. You're not? There's always home schooling.
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Where other Louisiana schools "rank" nationally is of no consequence to me.
Spoken like a true a-hole...
Posted on 9/24/15 at 8:26 pm to dpd901
quote:My daughter was doing that. It slowed her down. I taught her how to carry and drop numbers out to six wide in her head, how to multiple and divide in five and six numbers wide when the teacher using common core was still trying to teach kids to do it with two columns.
My son has been doing common core math for two years now. I have helped him with his homework every time he has a question. It usually takes me about 30 seconds to read the directions and understand the steps and why it's being taught. And every time I say the same thing "huh, that makes a lot of sense. I wish I had been taught that way"
Oh, and for you few remaining numb nuts who protest because "Obama",
They still teach the old method first.
I got a note to stop doing it. I called the school and scheduled a meeting with the teacher and the principal. I told them that I was not going to slow down her learning because they needed to dumb down the curriculum. "We don't have enough students ready to warrant an advanced placement class". I looked at them and said, "Now who's fault is that?" in a rather sarcastic tone. I pulled her out and received permission to send her to another school where they had AP classes so she could thrive, but I kept writing the school board and threatening to sue the district for claiming the school had an excellence rating. Within two months they started two AP classes and invited me to return her to the school.
That number square is bullshite and if it's easier for you it says something about the quality of education you received, too.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 8:55 pm to HubbaBubba
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My daughter was doing that. It slowed her down. I taught her how to carry and drop numbers out to six wide in her head, how to multiple and divide in five and six numbers wide when the teacher using common core was still trying to teach kids to do it with two columns.
Sounds like your daughter doesn't understand math. you taught her how to work that type of problem with a short cut or trick. good for her she can do it but still doesnt truly understand it.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 8:58 pm to DawgGONIT
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My problem with common core is that it shouldn't matter how a student comes up with the solution if the answer is correct. If a kid wants to do it the old fashion way, or use this common core then so be it. I would even argue that being able to do it using different techniques would make a person even better at it.
so you are just teaching your kids to not follow directions. if the assignment was to do it a certain way, it does in fact matter how they get the answer.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 9:02 pm to Brinner
Deal with common core at the ballot box and in the school board meetings.
In the meantime quit being a bitch and help your kid understand his homework.
In the meantime quit being a bitch and help your kid understand his homework.
This post was edited on 9/24/15 at 9:03 pm
Posted on 9/24/15 at 9:26 pm to HubbaBubba
Congrats on teaching your daughter that if you can complain enough and threaten to sue you can get your way....
Posted on 9/24/15 at 9:32 pm to tduecen
I'll admit, I don't have kids and didn't know what this was. After reading this thread, I spent 15 minutes reading up on this method of math. Seems logical, I get it. I agree with letting kids learn both ways. Some will find it easier with each method.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 9:33 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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GeauxTigerTM
So let me get this straight. I don't have a problem with CC teaching methods but I, like many parents, am somewhat concerned with real and widespread efforts to centralize elementary education curricula at the federal level by unelected bureaucrats. All because I'm happy with my school's performance and accountability to its parents.
You come along and characterize me as some fat trailer mom in curlers pointing my nicotine stained fingers at the school board officials cause Obamas a moozlim. Then you suggest that I need to homeschool my children because your kid goes to a shite school. And I'm the a-hole? lulz.
wait. I just realized this is the OT.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 9:39 pm to josh336
Funny thing is most teachers do teach it both ways, they just require it done on test in the common core method. I know plenty of teachers that now give 1 point for correct answer and 1 point for method.
The old method is easier for a lot of people that grew up on it, the new method is really easy as well if you take the time to learn it.
The old method is easier for a lot of people that grew up on it, the new method is really easy as well if you take the time to learn it.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 10:46 pm to Vacherie Saint
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I, like many parents, am somewhat concerned with real and widespread efforts to centralize elementary education curricula at the federal level by unelected bureaucrats. All because I'm happy with my school's performance and accountability to its parents.
Well cheers then, because The Common Core STATE Standards have absolutely nothing to do with the Federal Government or even a Curriculum for that matter. If someone told you otherwise, they were LYING to you.
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