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re: Are transgender thoughts a mental disorder of some sort?
Posted on 6/2/15 at 11:31 am to Speedy G
Posted on 6/2/15 at 11:31 am to Speedy G
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You've probably never seen it first hand. My 8 year old son's best friend is a girl who very much wants to be a boy. She dresses like a boy, wears her hair like a boy, plays sports with the boys. They currently both have crush on the same girl in their class. She's been that way since at least kindergarten. She has a typically feminine older sister.
She's 8. She hasn't gone through puberty yet and doesn't have a clue what sexual attraction is.
Posted on 6/2/15 at 11:31 am to Speedy G
What part of my post was confusing? It wasn't a riddle.
Posted on 6/2/15 at 11:32 am to cas4t
quote:Science is pretty clear on what gender is. The modern bullshite argument that gender and sex are different is exactly that, bullshite.
I'd prefer to look at the science
quote:Probably the least objective group you'll encounter. By that logic, we should drive over to Angola and release all of the prisoners. They're the "experts" after all, and they claim they're all innocent.
and also hear from those who are transsexuals themselves
This is just one of the many facets of extreme leftism attempting to discredit American culture by promoting fringe lunacy. Anything that is "natural" and normal doesn't need technology to accommodate it.
Posted on 6/2/15 at 11:32 am to Speedy G
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You've probably never seen it first hand. My 8 year old son's best friend is a girl who very much wants to be a boy. She dresses like a boy, wears her hair like a boy, plays sports with the boys. They currently both have crush on the same girl in their class. She's been that way since at least kindergarten. She has a typically feminine older sister.
You shouldnt let your son associate with her
Posted on 6/2/15 at 11:37 am to blueboy
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Science is pretty clear on what gender is. The modern bullshite argument that gender and sex are different is exactly that, bullshite.
If you argue that gender and biology are completely connected:
Then gender roles must conform to biology (as they are linked) and women and men's gender should be separate, completely. Women (due to biology) should not be able to move into male gender roles (military service, manufacturing, religious leadership, etc).
If you argue that gender and biology are completely separate:
There is no reason to ever become a post-op transexual, because you didn't need to change biology to switch gender roles.
SJWs want to have it both ways. Biology is ignored when determining gender roles because it suits their argument, but biology is the center focus for transsexual genital mutilation.
Posted on 6/2/15 at 11:37 am to Moustache
Given that they said he/she had a panic attack after the surgery one would hope he/she is getting proper mental treatment.
Posted on 6/2/15 at 11:40 am to cokebottleag
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She's 8. She hasn't gone through puberty yet and doesn't have a clue what sexual attraction is.
My son knows he likes to look at pretty girls. He doesn't know exactly why yet, but he knows (so did I, at that age - I remember it quite clearly). His friend has confided the same thing to her mother. She's not going to snap out of it when she hits puberty.
Posted on 6/2/15 at 11:42 am to Speedy G
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His friend has confided the same thing to her mother. She's not going to snap out of it when she hits puberty.
I mean...she might
Posted on 6/2/15 at 11:43 am to cas4t
i dont think identifying with a certain gender makes you have a mental illness, i think wanting to cut your dick off, turn it inside out, yet still frick women means you have a mental illness.
Posted on 6/2/15 at 11:44 am to cokebottleag
quote:Gender is biology. I don't believe in "gender roles." To me, that's a made-up concept. Tradition may dictate something, but if a person is capable, I don't see any reason that they shouldn't be able to do what they desire to.
If you argue that gender and biology are completely connected:
Then gender roles must conform to biology (as they are linked) and women and men's gender should be separate, completely. Women (due to biology) should not be able to move into male gender roles (military service, manufacturing, religious leadership, etc).
Posted on 6/2/15 at 11:44 am to blueboy
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The modern bullshite argument that gender and sex are different is exactly that, bullshite.
What? No it's not. This is a cultural difference by definition.
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Probably the least objective group you'll encounter
Which is fine by me. I prefer to hear any information available.
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By that logic, we should drive over to Angola and release all of the prisoners. They're the "experts" after all, and they claim they're all innocent.
That logic is not even remotely close to the point I was trying to make. My fault there; I should have been more clear. Which I was above, I hope.
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Anything that is "natural" and normal doesn't need technology to accommodate it.
I don't disagree. If studies show this is in fact a biological occurrence, it doesn't necessarily mean we as a society have to cater to them. Sometimes the cookies crumble differently for people, and that sucks. But that's life.
Posted on 6/2/15 at 11:48 am to cokebottleag
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There is no reason to ever become a post-op transexual, because you didn't need to change biology to switch gender roles.
Well, to be fair, one's sense of belonging has to be taken into account.
Posted on 6/2/15 at 11:49 am to cas4t
quote:Whose definition? Sorry. Gender = sex. I don't care about modern philosophical bullshite meant to legitimize abnormality.
What? No it's not. This is a cultural difference by definition.
Posted on 6/2/15 at 11:55 am to LSUSoulja08
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I don't think you guys really understand what it takes for something to be classified as a mental illness
Read the DSM-IV and get back to me
Older versions of the DSM actually did mention homosexuality as a mental illness but it was inexplicably removed in later additions. Your attempt to cast those who disagree with you as ignorant is futile.
Posted on 6/2/15 at 12:09 pm to blueboy
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Whose definition?
The medical community, for one. Monash, Association of American Medical College, Mayo Clinic, Health Resources and Services Administration Office of Women's Health, the National Institutes of Health, Office of Research on Women's Health, and the Canadian Institute of Health and Gender, etc
the medical community HAS to keep this separation in order to continue the development of individualized medicine and treatments for unique needs of women and men. That is essentially the sole reason for this differentiation. It's hard to explain on here, but do some googling and you should find a few abstracts to read.
Posted on 6/2/15 at 12:24 pm to cas4t
quote:The differing biological qualities of actual men and actual women have nothing to do with modern, socio-political gender identification arguments.
the medical community HAS to keep this separation in order to continue the development of individualized medicine and treatments for unique needs of women and men. That is essentially the sole reason for this differentiation.
Posted on 6/2/15 at 12:31 pm to cas4t
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science
You keep using that word but I don't think you know what it means....all the stuff you quoted as science was complete and utter bullshite that has already been completely dismantled by an aggie on here....
Feel good hypothetical BS driven by a liberal political agenda does not equate to science.
Posted on 6/2/15 at 12:41 pm to Tiger Ryno
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You keep using that word but I don't think you know what it means....all the stuff you quoted as science was complete and utter bullshite that has already been completely dismantled by an aggie on here....
Feel good hypothetical BS driven by a liberal political agenda does not equate to science.
Reading this thread is like watching the Kardashian's play chess. Whole bunch of redneck science up in here.
Posted on 6/2/15 at 12:44 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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I don't doubt there are some people that can remember certain things that way back but typically I call bull shite on people that say "I knew I was a girl when I was 4 years old." or "I knew I was gay at x years old"
I have kids that age and they are not thinking in those terms at all.
If kids "know" they are gay or trans at that age it's because somebody is telling them they are or somebody later says "I knew when you were a kid."
As for my kids, the boys will be raised to be boys and the girls raised to be girls.
This isn't rocket science. To a great extent, we have to figure out what seems true in the world and live according to that. That's how we collectively create reality.
I'm sure we could create all kinds of genders and identities in just a couple of generations of brainwashing children according to whatever quirks they display at a young age, but why would we do that? Who wants that reality?
Now I'm going to piss off a bunch of people who previously agreed with this post. I think that the cause of all of this insanity is the breakdown of the family, which can be traced to birth control and easy divorce. Also, and here's the offensive part to many of you, it's all being made worse by delayed child-bearing, which is a revolutionary/evolutionary change occurring at a very high speed that drastically effects the way people think and see the world in their twenties and thirties.
Posted on 6/2/15 at 12:44 pm to cokebottleag
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cokebottleag
your posts on this topic have been phenomenal. keep it up. psychiatrist hacks that encourage this shite should never be allowed to practice again.
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