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Are transgender thoughts a mental disorder of some sort?

Posted on 6/2/15 at 9:53 am
Posted by Moustache
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Posted on 6/2/15 at 9:53 am
I get that it doesn't harm anyone...so let's get that out of the way.

But, should we as a society try to fix the mental disorder instead of performing radical surgery.

It's a shame that any doctor that tries to correct and treat the mental side of things would be ostracized. Doctors are pretty much told to ignore it and just go with it when it's clear these people have a mental disorder.

It's like not treating an OCD disorder and telling these people their ticks and habits are normal and people need to accept them.


On a side note...is homosexuality also a mental illness?
Posted by cokebottleag
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Posted on 6/2/15 at 9:56 am to
Bruce Jenner does not have any physically female characteristics. He does not have ovaries. He does not have a vagina, nor was he born with one. He has 1 Y chromosome. Bruce Jenner is a man, 100%, with a mental illness. The current promotion of genital mutilation as a treatment for mental illness is on the same level as the proscription of lobotomization for people with Schizophrenia in the 19th century. Physical mutilation has never been a humane treatment for the mentally ill, and yet psychiatry continues to find new ways to inflict it on the most vulnerable of society. What is being done in the name of 'gender freedom' is insane, inhumane, and repulsive. If Bruce Jenner believed himself to be a dog, would anyone argue he should have his fingers cut off and his pelvis broken so that he would more closely resemble a dog to an observer? The answer is no, but that is exactly what is being lauded now as the treatment.

In fact, of all the physical mutilations over the years that psychiatric 'medicine' has prescribed over the years (electro-shock, lobotomization, Exorcism, the list goes on), genital mutilation and removal might be the most dangerous and destructive to the patient. No demographic in America has a higher suicide risk than people who have undergone genital mutilation due to mental illness.


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A 2011 study at the Karolinska Institute in Sweden produced the most illuminating results yet regarding the transgendered, evidence that should give advocates pause. The long-term study—up to 30 years—followed 324 people who had sex-reassignment surgery. The study revealed that beginning about 10 years after having the surgery, the transgendered began to experience increasing mental difficulties. Most shockingly, their suicide mortality rose almost 20-fold above the comparable nontransgender population.




There is statistically nothing worse that a doctor can do to increase the suicide chances of their patient than prescribe gential mutilation. No one is changing genders; we are just inflicting physical harm upon vulnerable people and then calling it medicine. We should be pitying Bruce Jenner; not for his desire to get treatment for his mental condition, but for the acts inflicted upon him in the name of gender freedom and psychiatric experimentation.

Homosexuality would probably be a mental illness by the strictest definition.
This post was edited on 6/2/15 at 10:37 am
Posted by LSUSoulja08
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Posted on 6/2/15 at 9:56 am to
No they aren't. You stupid or something?
Posted by dualed
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Posted on 6/2/15 at 9:57 am to
IMO, if you think homosexuality is a mental disorder you're a moron. The good ole boys here will probably disagree
Posted by terd ferguson
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Posted on 6/2/15 at 9:57 am to
Eugenics
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 6/2/15 at 9:58 am to
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No they aren't. You stupid or something?


So you think "identifying" as a woman, having surgery to become a woman, dressing like a woman, changing your name to a womans (although, still being attracted to women), even though you are actually a man....is perfectly sane, reasonable thinking?

ETA: If we are going to claim that someone who has to touch a doorknob in even numbers or have their TV volume in increments of 5 has a "disorder", then bruce jenner mf'in certainly qualifies.
This post was edited on 6/2/15 at 9:59 am
Posted by cokebottleag
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Posted on 6/2/15 at 9:58 am to
quote:

IMO, if you think homosexuality is a mental disorder you're a moron. The good ole boys here will probably disagree



Why?

Please define why you think homosexuality is not a mental illness. Specifically, what is your definition of a mental illness and why does it not include homosexuality?
Posted by yellowfin
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Posted on 6/2/15 at 9:58 am to
of course it is
Posted by Scruffy
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Posted on 6/2/15 at 9:58 am to
If we are honest, yes, it is a mental disorder.
Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 6/2/15 at 9:59 am to
As a layman, I'd think yes to transgendered and maybe to homosexuality.

Homosexuality likely impacts a much larger swath of the population, but nonetheless it is a pretty small minority of people. Maybe the argument is that you can live the lifestyle productively and treatment likely won't work. But, with regard to the treatment question, how is being gay that different from pedophilia or some other attraction disorder? Note that I'm not comparing them on a moral basis, simply in how many people are impacted by it and whether or not you can treat it other than abstention.

In sum, I think it makes sense to label both as disorders, and perhaps attempt to treat people with transgender issues. But the label can be applied without significant stigma (having OCD vs. having an attraction to children). Maybe there is a threshold for those classifications someone can tell us about.
Posted by LSUSoulja08
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Posted on 6/2/15 at 10:00 am to
I don't think you guys really understand what it takes for something to be classified as a mental illness

Read the DSM-IV and get back to me
Posted by udtiger
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Posted on 6/2/15 at 10:00 am to
yes
Posted by Moustache
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Posted on 6/2/15 at 10:00 am to
quote:

cokebottleag


Said it more eloquently than I ever could. I agree 100%.
Posted by TJRibMe
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Posted on 6/2/15 at 10:01 am to
Interesting article on the beginnings of transgender experimentation:

LINK

A failed transexual suggesting that surgery is the wrong approach and psychiatry is more effective. So yes, he thinks it is mental.
Posted by Moustache
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Posted on 6/2/15 at 10:01 am to
quote:

IMO, if you think homosexuality is a mental disorder you're a moron. The good ole boys here will probably disagree




How is it not? It is disordered by our very own nature. Care to make a logical argument instead of an emotional one?
Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 6/2/15 at 10:01 am to
quote:

I don't think you guys really understand what it takes for something to be classified as a mental illness

Read the DSM-IV and get back to me


Tell us
Posted by ctiger69
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Posted on 6/2/15 at 10:01 am to
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Posted by lsuhunt555
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Posted by BigEdLSU
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Posted on 6/2/15 at 10:01 am to
Mainstream society would have you believe hyper and active kids are "wrong" and should be medicated, while they encourage genital mutilation in kids.
Posted by BilJ
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Posted on 6/2/15 at 10:01 am to
calling it an illness is probably strong wording, but I do think its something they're born with.
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