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re: The Bruce Jenner debacle is complete. Seen wearing a dress around Malibu
Posted on 4/22/15 at 1:41 pm to SabiDojo
Posted on 4/22/15 at 1:41 pm to SabiDojo
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Look, I understand your point. As a society, you respect the fact that people have a choice. That doesn't mean you have to approve of it. You can't dictate what people should feel in their hearts and minds. That's totalitarianism and is not what a free society is about. The LGBT community has every right to exercise their free will. That doesn't mean religious people should have to accept their behavior, and they shouldn't have to be apologetic for holding those beliefs. Jenner is making a choice to identify himself as a woman. It's not illegal. Like I said before, I don't know how to feel about it because I am not educated on the relationship between the biological brain and individual psyche, especially when it comes to things like gender identity or sexual orientation. Now, whether it's immoral is a different discussion. Unfortunately, in my opinion, that's a discussion we probably can't have without knowing more about the brain and mind when it comes to gender identity and sexual orientation. And, I doubt any of us in this thread are qualified to expound on the subject.
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Posted on 4/22/15 at 1:42 pm to SabiDojo
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SabiDojo
That is a reasonable response. Thank you. Sorry if I came off too strong.
I have no personal problem with Jenner. He can do what he wants. I am not personally offended or disgusted by him. I don't know him and don't care. He needs compassion and care from people who are close to him.
But, he is mentally ill and when we stop saying that as a society and say that this is normal and we should alter our society to make room for it as a normal thing, then we become mentally ill and lose our ability to call a thing what it is.
That is not even a moral or religious argument. It is a "truth" argument based in the very fabric of nature and not a late middle aged man disordered desires.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 1:44 pm to SabiDojo
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You love your neighbor so much you are willing to take their free will away from them?
Who wants to do this? Where did I or anyone in this entire thread say that? I haven't seen a single post in this entire thread stating that
Posted on 4/22/15 at 1:44 pm to AlaTiger
quote:Agreed
I have no personal problem with Jenner. He can do what he wants. I am not personally offended or disgusted by him. I don't know him and don't care. He needs compassion and care from people who are close to him
quote:This is where I disagree somewhat. Is he "normal?" Absolutely not. By definition he is clearly not normal. But I still dont know why as a free society we should feel the need care about a person choosing not to be normal as long as they are not harming/affecting the free will of others
But, he is mentally ill and when we stop saying that as a society and say that this is normal and we should alter our society to make room for it as a normal thing, then we become mentally ill and lose our ability to call a thing what it is.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 1:44 pm to AlaTiger
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But, he is mentally ill and when we stop saying that as a society and say that this is normal and we should alter our society to make room for it as a normal thing, then we become mentally ill and lose our ability to call a thing what it is.
I mean...it's definitely not "normal", but I imagine everyone single one of us have something that isn't "normal" about us, his thing is just a bit more out in the open
Why are you afraid of it being "normalized"?
Posted on 4/22/15 at 1:44 pm to RedRifle
This:
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And that:
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Came out of that thing's dick.
> And that:
> Came out of that thing's dick.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 1:44 pm to Tigerstudent08
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Who wants to do this? Where did I or anyone in this entire thread say that? I haven't seen a single post in this entire thread stating that
I apologize. I must have misread your statement.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 1:45 pm to SabiDojo
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You love your neighbor so much you are willing to take their free will away from them? Lots of happy moments in world history when that happens.
Who is saying that he isn't free to do this? No one. You are confusing arguments now.
We are saying that this behavior should not be normalized and accepted in society. Jenner can do what he wants. No one should stop him. But, why should we stop seeing this as a mental disorder?
Posted on 4/22/15 at 1:45 pm to Tigerstudent08
quote:You said we would be bad parents because we wont "discipline our kids." That makes it sound like you are some how in favor of "disciplining Jenner" If not, what the hell do those two things have to do with each other at all?
Who wants to do this? Where did I or anyone in this entire thread say that? I haven't seen a single post in this entire thread stating that
Posted on 4/22/15 at 1:46 pm to lsupride87
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I still dont care. I just dont.
If you really didn't care you wouldn't be in this thread arguing this much over it.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 1:47 pm to AlaTiger
quote:So do you want to arrest him? I am ok with you saying "not normal", because it isnt. But your use of the word accepted is somewhat frightening. What would you like to do in order to not "accept" him? Cast him off on transgender Island? This is a solid discussion BTW
accepted in society.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 1:47 pm to AlaTiger
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We are saying that this behavior should not be normalized and accepted in society. Jenner can do what he wants. No one should stop him. But, why should we stop seeing this as a mental disorder?
are we not accepting people because of mental disorders in society today? is that a thing?
because if the mental disorder causes no harm to anyone else, why wouldn't we accept it?
Posted on 4/22/15 at 1:47 pm to Tigerstudent08
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oh okay so you don't give a shite about anyone besides you and your family. Sweet approach! I've always been taught that whole love thy neighbor thing but I like your way better.
I read this to mean you know what's better for Jenner than he does. That's why I said that. I'm sorry if I misread.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 1:48 pm to constant cough
quote:I hate this argument so much. I honestly dont care that Bruce is transgendered. I do find it interesting that people do care so I like to engage in the discussion. If you cant see the difference then I cant help you
If you really didn't care you wouldn't be in this thread arguing this much over it.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 1:49 pm to lsupride87
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This is where I disagree somewhat. Is he "normal?" Absolutely not. By definition he is clearly not normal. But I still dont know why as a free society we should feel the need care about a person choosing not to be normal as long as they are not harming/affecting the free will of others
I told you that I don't care what he does and I don't think that society should either. He is free to do what he wants, put on a dress, and mutilate himself. I am not advocating that he be NOT allowed to do that.
I am saying that the NORMALIZATION of this as though he is not mentally ill is the problem. He is being called "brave" and is being praised by the cultural elites.
I am not even making moral judgments on him. He is clearly disturbed. But, a society that loses its ability to call this what it is is a society that has utterly lost its collective mind.
And, that affects EVERYONE.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 1:49 pm to AlaTiger
If it makes you feel better, I only posted "So brave" in order to get a reaction out of the board.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 1:50 pm to AlaTiger
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We are saying that this behavior should not be normalized and accepted in society. Jenner can do what he wants. No one should stop him. But, why should we stop seeing this as a mental disorder?
You keep saying normalize. How is anyone normalizing it? What he's doing is atypical. I believe everyone has acknowledged that fact. Our reaction to it doesn't change the fact that it's atypical.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 1:50 pm to AlaTiger
quote:I just disagree that this is what is happening by the majority. To me, it seems that my generation generally just doesnt care. We arent saying it is "normal", we are just saying it doesnt matter
I am saying that the NORMALIZATION of this as though he is not mentally ill is the problem. He is being called "brave" and is being praised by the cultural elites.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 1:52 pm to lsupride87
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I hate this argument so much.
I can see why.
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I honestly dont care that Bruce is transgendered. I do find it interesting that people do care so I like to engage in the discussion. If you cant see the difference then I cant help you
I love this argument. I don't care and I'll show just how much I don't care by arguing repeatedly that I don't care. Lol
Posted on 4/22/15 at 1:52 pm to RedRifle
What a travesty, I guess its possible that he could be doing this as a publicity stunt.
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