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re: The Bruce Jenner debacle is complete. Seen wearing a dress around Malibu
Posted on 4/22/15 at 1:53 pm to Goldrush25
Posted on 4/22/15 at 1:53 pm to Goldrush25
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How is anyone normalizing it?
Teaching transgender ism to kindergarteners is a start
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Posted on 4/22/15 at 1:53 pm to constant cough
quote:Are you an idiot. I am not arguing about whether or not " I care". I am discussing with people why they do. Do you seriously not see the difference?
I love this argument. I don't care and I'll show just how much I don't care by arguing repeatedly that I don't care. Lol
Posted on 4/22/15 at 1:54 pm to fillmoregandt
quote:Are they telling the kids it is normal to be transgender and not heterosexual? I guess I didnt realize that
Teaching transgender ism to kindergarteners is a star
Posted on 4/22/15 at 1:54 pm to lsupride87
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accepted in society.
So do you want to arrest him? I am ok with you saying "not normal", because it isnt. But your use of the word accepted is somewhat frightening. What would you like to do in order to not "accept" him? Cast him off on transgender Island? This is a solid discussion BTW
Yeah. Let's arrest him. Because that is what I've said.
Seriously, you seem like a decent guy and I am enjoying discussing this with you and Dojo. But, if I have said something over and over again such as, "I am not saying that it should be illegal or anything, " then please let's at least try to build on that, ok?
I am saying that he SHOULD BE FREE TO DO WHAT HE WANTS, but as a society, we should see this as a MENTAL DISORDER and not something that should be celebrated or that we should alter society around.
I don't want him put on a transgendered island or anything. But, at the same time, I don't think that this should be accepted as just another sexual identity that we should alter our cultural practices around and that if anyone sees it as a mental disorder then they are some kind of mean spirited bigot.
We'll be at that point culturally in about 5 minutes, by the way.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 1:54 pm to fillmoregandt
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Teaching transgender ism to kindergarteners is a start
Who's doing that?
Posted on 4/22/15 at 1:56 pm to lsupride87
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I seriously wonder if some of these people take the same approach with raising their children. I'm really glad my parents took the approach of teaching me values and what is right and wrong. It worked out for me so I will do the same thing with my children. To each their own I guess.
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"discipline our kids."
Did you pull your "quote" from thin air? People do believe in right and wrong and those opinions differ. I can't understand why we are supposed to turn a blind eye to all acts going on in our society but if we see someone simply give an opinion on something right or wrong it's war.
Bruce Jenner should not be harassed/arrested/killed nor should he be praised/made into a hero/etc.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 1:56 pm to AlaTiger
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we should see this as a MENTAL DISORDER and not something that should be celebrated or that we should alter society around.
so we reject all mental disorders as a society?
Posted on 4/22/15 at 1:56 pm to Goldrush25
Posted on 4/22/15 at 1:57 pm to lsupride87
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Are you an idiot. I am not arguing about whether or not " I care".
Yet here you are arguing with me whether or not you care.
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I am discussing with people why they do. Do you seriously not see the difference?
Right... You don't care but you do care that other people care. Lol.
This post was edited on 4/22/15 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 4/22/15 at 1:57 pm to AlaTiger
quote:Me as well
eriously, you seem like a decent guy and I am enjoying discussing this with you and Dojo
quote:I agree. It is just the word "accepted" that throws me off.
I am saying that he SHOULD BE FREE TO DO WHAT HE WANTS, but as a society, we should see this as a MENTAL DISORDER and not something that should be celebrated or that we should alter society around.
quote:I dont see how someone could say it isnt a mental disorder. My only point is if it is a disorder that people are born with and cant be "fixed", then what should we do about it? I am of the opinion we should ignore it since it doesn't have a negative outcome on others
mental disorder then they are some kind of mean spirited bigot
Posted on 4/22/15 at 1:58 pm to constant cough
quote:Correct. I dont care about Bruce Jenner being transgendered. I dont. I do, however, care that some people have an issue with it. That is a distinct difference. Sorry you cant decipher that
Right... You don't care but you do care that other people care. Lol
Posted on 4/22/15 at 2:00 pm to lsupride87
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my generation
What generation is that and does that opinon grant some kind of authority in the argument?
The fact that a "generation" doesn't care about something doesn't mean that the generation is right or that they understand the consequences of not caring.
We have this really weird trend in America where we set truth according to opinion polls of what the younger "generation" thinks - as though they really understand anything at all. We are literally making things up as we go based on what people aged 18-30 care about in any given moment and then that is pushed on the rest of society as what should be considered "normal" because the idea is that their view will eventually dominate.
It is the most ignorant way possible to run a society.
I am a young Gen X, by the way. Almost a Millenial myself, so I am not some kind of retiree or something pining for the good old days.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 2:00 pm to AlaTiger
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but as a society, we should see this as a MENTAL DISORDER and not something that should be celebrated or that we should alter society around.
This is where I jump off for now. Like I said, I don't know why people become transgendered. Is it chemical? Is it a lack of checmical/hormone? Is it natural? Is it a mutation? Is it a condition/disease? Is there a part of the brain that contributes to or dictates gender identity and/or sexual orientation? Or, is it a choice being the result of different life experiences?
I would just rather know the source before I start telling people they are diseased and they should start medicating for their own good and for the good of society.
Is there any literature on this subject in the medical community?
This post was edited on 4/22/15 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 4/22/15 at 2:00 pm to Tigerstudent08
quote:You assumed I wouldnt teach my kids from right and wrong and I would allow them to do as the please because of the fact I dont care what a random person does with their personal life. Sorry I think that is asinine comparison
Did you pull your "quote" from thin air? People do believe in right and wrong and those opinions differ. I can't understand why we are supposed to turn a blind eye to all acts going on in our society but if we see someone simply give an opinion on something right or wrong it's war.
Bruce Jenner should not be harassed/arrested/killed nor should he be praised/made into a hero/etc.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 2:00 pm to lsupride87
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Correct. I dont care about Bruce Jenner being transgendered. I dont. I do, however, care that some people have an issue with it. That is a distinct difference. Sorry you cant decipher that
The fact that you care whether anyone else has an issue with it is proof that you indeed do care.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 2:01 pm to AlaTiger
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they understand the consequences of not caring.
please tell me the consequences of not caring about transgendered people
Posted on 4/22/15 at 2:02 pm to Salmon
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so we reject all mental disorders as a society?
We continue to call them "disorders" and we do not normalize them or reconstruct society around them.
Come on. You are smarter than this.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 2:05 pm to AlaTiger
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reconstruct society around them.
We don't?
pretty sure if someone has a disorder, society reconstructs things to help that person cope, deal, or get by with that disorder
its pretty common
Posted on 4/22/15 at 2:07 pm to AlaTiger
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Male and Female is arbitrary and doesn't matter. I actually believe that Male and Female is a fixed thing.
Who said it was arbitrary? I think you have misunderstood.
And it's probably not as "fixed" as you would like to believe - just as human sexuality is not as black and white. It's a spectrum.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 2:08 pm to AlaTiger
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Society is about to be fully reconstructed to make room for the Transgendered to be completely normalized in every respect.
Even if that were true, why would that be bad? What specific harms would you suffer?
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