re: The Bruce Jenner debacle is complete. Seen wearing a dress around Malibu

The consequences of not caring about this debate and where it is headed as our society is transformed to the new reality are pretty severe.

Here is where we are headed:

-- Homosexuality is not a choice. It is fixed from birth and cannot be changed.
-- Likewise, Transgenderism is not a choice. There are men trapped in women's bodies and women trapped in men's bodies and we should let people be who their really are.

However,

-- Gender distinctions are social constructs and are fluid. They are not fixed.
-- Male identity and female identity is constantly up for grabs and legitimate expressions of either in any type of traditional way are seen as manifestations of the Patriarchy and are simply marks of oppression that should be abolished.

Therefore,

-- Humanity is meant to be a fluid sexual expression that embraces whatever identity or behavior it chooses and there can be no boundaries that keep that from happening either internally in the person or in society. That fluid expression is not seen as any kind of disorder, but rather it is normal and anyone who thinks otherwise is actually the one with the problem.

THAT is where the Societal Engineers want to take us eventually. It is all in print in their philosophy and they are quite bold about it. Whether or not they will be successful remains to be seen, but that is the end game.

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But, he is mentally il

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Stop saying this as if it's a known fact which you are privy to.

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Teaching transgender ism to kindergarteners is a start

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Trans-genderism exists. What's your point?

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It is believed that during the intrauterine period the fetal brain develops in the male direction through a direct action of testosterone on the developing nerve cells, or in the female direction through the absence of this hormone surge. According to this concept, our gender identity (the conviction of belonging to the male or female gender) and sexual orientation should be programmed into our brain structures when we are still in the womb. However, since sexual differentiation of the genitals takes place in the first two months of pregnancy and sexual differentiation of the brain starts in the second half of pregnancy, these two processes can be influenced independently, which may result in transsexuality. This also means that in the event of ambiguous sex at birth, the degree of masculinization of the genitals may not reflect the degree of masculinization of the brain. There is no proof that social environment after birth has an effect on gender identity or sexual orientation. Data on genetic and hormone independent influence on gender identity are presently divergent and do not provide convincing information about the underlying etiology. To what extent fetal programming may determine sexual orientation is also a matter of discussion. A number of studies show patterns of sex atypical cerebral dimorphism in homosexual subjects. Although the crucial question, namely how such complex functions as sexual orientation and identity are processed in the brain remains unanswered, emerging data point at a key role of specific neuronal circuits involving the hypothalamus.

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Department of Clinical Neuroscience, Karolinska Institute, Stockholm, Sweden.

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Also, I found this article concerning recent history on the subject.

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In 1910, German physician Magnus Hirschfeld coined the term "transvestites" to describe individuals who are more comfortable in clothing of the opposite gender. Hirschfeld's interest in this study population was not purely professional; he himself identified as a transvestite in addition to being gay.

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Years later in 1948, endocrinologist Harry Benjamin was asked by Alfred Kinsey, the biologist and most famously sexologist who in 1947 founded the Institute for Sex Research, to examine a boy who "assured to be a girl." The mother of the boy had come to him wishing for help that would assist rather than thwart her child, and Kinsey had never encountered such a case. Upon his own examination, Benjamin understood that the boy's condition was markedly different than that of transvestism.

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He immediately involved psychiatrists, but they were unable to agree on a strategy for treating the boy. Eventually, Benjamin decided to administer estrogen to the boy; he used Premarin, which had been introduced in 1941. This treatment, he noted, had a calming effect. Next, he helped arrange for the mother and child to go to Germany where surgery could be performed. Hirschfeld supervised the first recorded sex reassignment surgery in Berlin sometime during 1930-1931.

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Specifically, the UCLA researchers chose to investigate potential neuroanatomical variations associated with transsexualism; in particular, they applied a "whole-brain approach" in which they would compare the thickness of the cortex across the lateral and medial brain cortical surfaces at thousands of surface points. "The cerebral cortex contains approximately 80% of the neurons of the central nervous system and contributes largely to factors such as social awareness, attitudes, and decision-making," the authors wrote. Given the relevance of these factors in association with transsexualism, they expected to find alterations in MTF (male to female) transsexuals compared to control men.

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They found the MTF transsexuals, as compared to the control participants, had thicker cortices (outer layers of their cerebellums), both within regions of the left hemisphere and right hemisphere. "Regional gray matter characteristics in MTF transsexuals are more similar to the pattern found in men (i.e., in subjects sharing biological sex) than in women," the authors wrote. "However, we also noticed that brain characteristics in MTF transsexuals and in control men were not fully identical."

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Look, a man who thinks that he is really a woman on the inside is mentally/emotioally ill.

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Says you, in an incredibly ill-informed, arrogant fashion.

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Just like a man who thinks that he is a chicken or a cat is mentally ill.

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No, not just like that.

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The fact that you have lost sight of that in your perception of truth should have you quite disturbed.

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The fact that you would conflate the two scenario is disturbing.

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how is that a severe consequence?

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It is a severe consequence because it is fundamentally false. It is a complete lie. Any society built on a lie crumbles from total confusion.

Forgive me for not wanting to reconstuct our entire culture based on what makes sense to a Women's Studies major at Sarah Lawrence as she imagines oppression from the patriarchy everywhere.

Shattering sexual mores and gender distinctions is a wonderful way to reorder society according to a dramatically different construct. If you are in agreement with that movement, then YOU should probably be the one telling me how it will be to our great benefit.

I have 6000 years of known human history and civilization on my side. You have some kind of an impulse where "you don't think it will be that bad."

No, it is not incredibly ill informed or arrogant.

Is a man able to change his chromosomes? Is that at all possible?

It is as possilble for the man to become a chicken or a cat as it is for him to change his chromosomes that determine sex.

So, thinking that you are something that you are not is a sign of mental illness and disorder. It is exactly the same thing, but saying it that way offends you because you want it to be seen as normal.

Like I said, you might want to look within and think about where your mental reasoning is headed here. It is a mess.

How times have changed.

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How times have changed.

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Correct. Americans have become significantly more open-minded and less cretinous.