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Inflated 40 Yard Dash Times
Posted on 2/23/15 at 8:52 am
Posted on 2/23/15 at 8:52 am
It's funny to me how every 4 or 5 star position player comes out of high school supposedly running in the 4.3's or 4.4's and then they get to the combine after three to four years of college training and run significantly slower times. Our guys have really impressed in the running portion at the combine this year but there are a lot of guys who have apparently gotten slower since high school.
I know the electronic timing makes a huge difference compared to hand timing but it just goes to show that you can't believe what you hear about a guy's 40 time coming out of high school.
For example, Landon Collins was "lightning fast" coming out of high school, running a 4.3. He just clocked in at an unofficial 4.53. Theres nothing wrong with that time and he is very fast. Just something I see every year that I find interesting.
I know the electronic timing makes a huge difference compared to hand timing but it just goes to show that you can't believe what you hear about a guy's 40 time coming out of high school.
For example, Landon Collins was "lightning fast" coming out of high school, running a 4.3. He just clocked in at an unofficial 4.53. Theres nothing wrong with that time and he is very fast. Just something I see every year that I find interesting.
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Posted on 2/23/15 at 8:55 am to bayoutiger7
It's also funny when the player then comes back to their pro day and runs that 4.4 time. Pretty clear no one is using legit laser times like the NFL.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 8:55 am to bayoutiger7
Well, Landon Collins also weighed in at 228lbs 
Posted on 2/23/15 at 8:56 am to bayoutiger7
same thing happens with basketball heights
guys listed at 6'7" in college are really 6'4"
guys listed at 6'7" in college are really 6'4"
Posted on 2/23/15 at 9:04 am to bayoutiger7
It IS possible that some of these guys get a little slower as they add weight and muscle, though. They make up for it with power, but I would not be surprised that some of the skill guys are a little slower at 21 than at 18 and lighter.
But, yeah, the times in HS are definitely inflated.
But, yeah, the times in HS are definitely inflated.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 9:14 am to bayoutiger7
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I know the electronic timing makes a huge difference
It's not just a huge difference..it is the difference. Laser timing isn't this guy with a stop watch.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 9:16 am to bayoutiger7
Well they aren't on the track team, so its not really surprising to me that three years of working out and training to play football would hurt someone who ran a 4.4 as a hs senior.
If you assume the times are actually accurate in hs. Which they prob aren't.
If you assume the times are actually accurate in hs. Which they prob aren't.
This post was edited on 2/23/15 at 9:17 am
Posted on 2/23/15 at 9:48 am to bayoutiger7
usually a guy they say is a 4.3 or 4.4 is lightning fast though...i think it just shows how rare the true 4.3 guys are.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 10:01 am to bayoutiger7
The technology that times HS players and at the combine a significantly different.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 10:15 am to bayoutiger7
Posted on 2/23/15 at 10:24 am to bayoutiger7
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just goes to show that you can't believe what you hear about a guy's 40 time coming out of high school.
who says everyone does? plus look at the weights when they come into college vs when they leave..
Posted on 2/23/15 at 10:41 am to bayoutiger7
FAT Track times are the strictest, as the clock starts on the gun, and typically there is around a 0.24 second difference between hand times and FAT times.
The LSU camp times are 100% hand timed, and therefore the fastest times.
The NFL combine times are laser timed, but start on your first movement, and tend to be around 0.10 seconds slower than hand times. So a kid like Landon Collins who is running around a 4.4 hand timed forty will run something like a 4.52 second combine forty.
I also think kids bulk up in college, and most of them do not get faster, but rather maintain their speed (or slow down slightly) at a heavier bodyweight due to college weight rooms.
And yes, many recruits exaggerate their measureabes!
The LSU camp times are 100% hand timed, and therefore the fastest times.
The NFL combine times are laser timed, but start on your first movement, and tend to be around 0.10 seconds slower than hand times. So a kid like Landon Collins who is running around a 4.4 hand timed forty will run something like a 4.52 second combine forty.
I also think kids bulk up in college, and most of them do not get faster, but rather maintain their speed (or slow down slightly) at a heavier bodyweight due to college weight rooms.
And yes, many recruits exaggerate their measureabes!
Posted on 2/23/15 at 10:43 am to bayoutiger7
Just the method of timing is so very different. They start Combine 40 from when that back right arms starts moving.
Obviously a hand time won't be the same, but it isn't like they do combine 40s like the olympics does a race.
Obviously a hand time won't be the same, but it isn't like they do combine 40s like the olympics does a race.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 11:07 am to bayoutiger7
Posted on 2/23/15 at 11:16 am to bayoutiger7
What's really amazing is Daren McFadden ran a 4.27 in the combine and Chad Jones tackled him from behind. I guess it just shows how much top end speed Chad had. Amazing.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 11:18 am to bayoutiger7
Smart people realize that those are almost always hand times out of high school.
If a guy runs a 4.35 in high school, put him between 4.45 and 4.50 laser most of the time.
ETA: plus most guys gain 10-20lbs during their college careers. That could make them slower or faster depending on muscle/fat, etc.
If a guy runs a 4.35 in high school, put him between 4.45 and 4.50 laser most of the time.
ETA: plus most guys gain 10-20lbs during their college careers. That could make them slower or faster depending on muscle/fat, etc.
This post was edited on 2/23/15 at 11:22 am
Posted on 2/23/15 at 11:43 am to bayoutiger7
I bet most NFL players were at their fastest their senior year of HS.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 12:00 pm to bayoutiger7
How about next time you use your "FOR EXAMPLE".... you don't use a guy who proved himself on the field in High School and then even more so in College and is now a LOCK to be a first round draft pic in the NFL... Nobody cares about 40 times when you have continuously proven yourself to be a constant elite football player.
And by the way, 247 shows Landon Collins running a 4.4 forty out of High School at 210 lbs... He is now weighing in at 228 lbs... I would imagine that weight AND his frame gaining all that mass would make a difference in his "significantly slower time" of 4.53.
And by the way, 247 shows Landon Collins running a 4.4 forty out of High School at 210 lbs... He is now weighing in at 228 lbs... I would imagine that weight AND his frame gaining all that mass would make a difference in his "significantly slower time" of 4.53.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 1:49 pm to bayoutiger7
Everybody says they run 4.4 in high school. A guy on my team who was the fastest man I knew personally, never got below a 4.62 at any of the combines. In person, you can tell when a guy runs a 4.4 forty, because everytime you will have that "WOW HE IS FAST" reaction.
Me personally, mighty as I tried, I never ran below a 4.85, and for a guy playing D-line at 235. Nevertheless, as slow as I was, I was able to continue playing in college at D2 level. 2 years later playing weight of 255, I ran a 5.01. So I can say by experience putting on more weight, will slow you down.
Me personally, mighty as I tried, I never ran below a 4.85, and for a guy playing D-line at 235. Nevertheless, as slow as I was, I was able to continue playing in college at D2 level. 2 years later playing weight of 255, I ran a 5.01. So I can say by experience putting on more weight, will slow you down.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 8:24 pm to bayoutiger7
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It's funny to me how every 4 or 5 star position player comes out of high school supposedly running in the 4.3's or 4.4's and then they get to the combine after three to four years of college training and run significantly slower times. Our guys have really impressed in the running portion at the combine this year but there are a lot of guys who have apparently gotten slower since high school.
I've been saying for a while that if one looks at recruiting data coming into college and then again at the NFL combine, you'd have to come to the conclusion that it's absolutely expected for HS athletes to get slower over the course of their 3-4 years in college.
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