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re: ISIS hostage Kayla Mueller confirmed dead by family

Posted on 2/10/15 at 9:54 am to
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
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Posted on 2/10/15 at 9:54 am to
They wouldnt swing very much. He has some scant influence, but not as much as anyone would like to think.
Posted by shiftworker
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Posted on 2/10/15 at 9:54 am to
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quote: You must be barely functioning as an adult. Gas prices have zero to do with Obama. Anyone with half a fricking brain understands that. Really? So if he pulled the military out of the middle east and also had our navy stop patrolling shipping lanes gas prices would stay the same?


Don't give him any ideas 480.
Posted by tigerpimpbot
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Posted on 2/10/15 at 9:55 am to
Don't want to imagine what those sick fricks were doing to her.
Posted by studentsect
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 2/10/15 at 9:55 am to
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I wasn't aware that infant mortality and crop production in the United States were anywhere close to being issues that needed attention...oh...because they aren't.



I know 4 couples that have lost babies under 2 in the last year.

Excluding my military friends, I don't know of anyone that has ever seen a Middle Eastern person holding a weapon, much less been personally affected by terrorism.
Posted by NorthGwinnettTiger
Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 2/10/15 at 9:55 am to
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"I find God in the suffering eyes reflected in mine. If this is how you are revealed to me, this is how I will forever seek you," Kayla wrote in the letter.

"I will always seek God. Some people find God in church. Some people find God in nature. Some people find God in love; I find God in suffering. I've known for some time what my life's work is, using my hands as tools to relieve suffering," she wrote.


Remarkable young woman.
Posted by TigerStripes06
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Posted on 2/10/15 at 9:58 am to
Factoring in SIDS and that Americans are probably the heaviest recreational drug and alcohol users on that list, I'd say that's your answer. SIDS happens. unfortunately I've had friends impacted. Nothing anyone could do. But we have been trying to get women to quit drinking, smoking and using drugs during pregnancy for a long time ago. They probably should stop. Yes. But what people do to themselves isn't a national issue. Unless of course we started making people get licenses to have children...I'm in favor.
Posted by shiftworker
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Posted on 2/10/15 at 9:59 am to
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quote: I wasn't aware that infant mortality and crop production in the United States were anywhere close to being issues that needed attention...oh...because they aren't. I know 4 couples that have lost babies under 2 in the last year. Excluding my military friends, I don't know of anyone that has ever seen a Middle Eastern person holding a weapon, much less been personally affected by terrorism.


I understand your point about infant mortality, but you are missing the boat about who is affected by terrorism. Have you flown since 2001?
Posted by lsu480
Downtown Scottsdale
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Posted on 2/10/15 at 9:59 am to
Like he would listen to a white man!
Posted by dagrippa
Saigon
Member since Nov 2004
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Posted on 2/10/15 at 10:00 am to
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"I find God in the suffering eyes reflected in mine. If this is how you are revealed to me, this is how I will forever seek you," Kayla wrote in the letter.

"I will always seek God. Some people find God in church. Some people find God in nature. Some people find God in love; I find God in suffering. I've known for some time what my life's work is, using my hands as tools to relieve suffering," she wrote.


She's real.

Much braver person than I am.
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 2/10/15 at 10:02 am to
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It's a not so subtle attempt to group Christians in with ISIS.
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people are too stupid to understand or use context, and people take his words as way to compare today's Christians to ISIS
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GRTiger


Did you just call yourself stupid?

Regardless, I don't think the president of the free world should speak only in terms of the most stupid around.

The real problem is, partisan rhetoric prevents proper discourse.
Posted by partyboy1930
Member since Jan 2014
1348 posts
Posted on 2/10/15 at 10:02 am to
TigerStripes06 - right on. couldn't have said it any better myself.
Posted by LoveThatMoney
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Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 2/10/15 at 10:03 am to
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It's also completely irrelevant and a not so subtle attempt to group Christians in with ISIS.


Not really. Not really at all. He's providing a context in which we should view ISIS within Islam.

From a Fox News source going ballistic on Obama's use of the Crusades to provide context:

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President Obama lumped Christians and murderous Islamic terrorists together: Here’s some of what he said, “unless we get on our high horse and think that this is unique to some other place -- remember that during the crusades and inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ … So, it is not unique to one group or one religion; there is a tendency in us, a sinful tendency that can pervert and distort our faith.”

Lumped? My bad. He practically blamed Christians for the religious fanatics who are burning men alive. Burying children alive and crucifying young boys.

And talking about both in the same context is simply not OK.

What the president did this morning will haunt him for a very long time. He crossed the line. In fact, he pole vaulted over it

Using some misguided moral equivalency, President Obama reached back over almost a thousand years to compare a group of Christians then to current day radical Islamists killing innocents in the name of Allah… today.

Last month, in January alone, reports say that radical Muslim jihadists killed thousands of people. Last month!

And yet, when you combine Christianity, Judaism, Scientology and the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster what are their combined killings in the name of religion?

Well that number would be zero..

Sorry Mr. President, I think you've gone too far this time!

And no, left- winged progressives, I am not being racist. This is coming from the very core of my Christianity, my humanity, my civilized self.

President Obama.. I think you owe all Christians an apology..

Christianity today is the polar opposite of what's being done in the name of Islam.


Like you and many in this thread, which has been woefully hijacked from its original purpose, Eric Bolling misses the point entirely. The fact that the President compared the atrocities of ISIS to the atrocities of the Crusades shows that Islam and Christianity are similar; that Christians have perpetrated heinous acts in the name of their faith just as ISIS and other extremists have, which should show Christians that the acts of a few should not equate to the acts of the many; and provides hope that the Islam of today can become more like the Christianity of today. After all, if Christianity has a brutal past but came out from it to become a far more accepting religion, then so to can Islam.

That's not lumping Christians in with ISIS. It's not even insulting Christianity. It's providing a context in which to view ISIS now. We should always look at today through a lens of experience. This isn't to downplay the evils of ISIS, it is, at least in part, to show that faith is powerful and can be used to manipulate people into becoming monstrous. But that doesn't mean everyone of faith is monstrous. That doesn't mean that Christianity is an inherently violent religion. That doesn't mean that Islam is an inherently violent religion. To view the President's comments otherwise is to willfully blind yourself to reality.
Posted by shiftworker
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Posted on 2/10/15 at 10:03 am to
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Message Posted by lsu480 Like he would listen to a white man!


Doesn't matter. He would take credit for it.
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 2/10/15 at 10:05 am to
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But we have been trying to get women to quit drinking, smoking and using drugs during pregnancy for a long time ago. They probably should stop. Yes. But what people do to themselves isn't a national issue. Unless of course we started making people get licenses to have children...I'm in favor.


wow.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Member since Mar 2013
135129 posts
Posted on 2/10/15 at 10:06 am to
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I dont mean to sound insensitive, but what was she doing over there?


She was over there trying to show what the Assad regime was doing to the rebels. She wasn't there giving aid, she was there simply as a propaganda type tool. Honestly, I don't care that she's dead. She knew what could happen if she went there and the people she was trying to help turned against her. I just hope that we don't use her as a battle cry to send troops to the region.
Posted by TigerFanatic99
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Jan 2007
27770 posts
Posted on 2/10/15 at 10:07 am to
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And yeah, if she went to Syria as an activist, she pretty much deserved it. Sorry. Zero sympathy


It is a tragedy, and sad. I won't go as far to say that "she deserved it", but this happens. It is a risk that is very real and very well known about. She went there knowing that this was a very real possibility. While she didn't deserve it, it falls very clearly and strongly under "play stupid games, win stupid prizes".
Posted by LoveThatMoney
Who knows where?
Member since Jan 2008
12268 posts
Posted on 2/10/15 at 10:10 am to
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The real problem is, partisan rhetoric prevents proper discourse.


Exactly. I'm not really a fan of Obama. I think he is at best a serviceable President and at worst a terrible one.

But the rhetoric surrounding the issues is so blatant that I find it hard to understand how no one else sees it. And it goes both ways. MSNBC is no better than Fox which is no better than CBS. They're all out to grab ratings in a world in which 24 hour news coverage exists and, because there aren't always interesting things going on in the world, the "reporters" have to create controversy somehow. It's fricking asinine.

And worse, the average American cannot distill the information provided through their own lenses, their own perspectives, and instead substitute the perspective of some nutter left or right wing extrem... er.. enthusiast for their own.
Posted by TigerStripes06
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Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 2/10/15 at 10:10 am to
We could always outlaw drugs and limit the smoking and drinking ages to where people couldn't get drugs and those that smoked and drank would be much more responsible. They would never do so at risk of personal harm since they are responsible adults and since drugs would be illegal, no one would use them.

What I don't understand is why you think it's a national issue and not an issue of personal accountability.
This post was edited on 2/10/15 at 10:12 am
Posted by LoveThatMoney
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Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 2/10/15 at 10:11 am to
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She was over there trying to show what the Assad regime was doing to the rebels. She wasn't there giving aid, she was there simply as a propaganda type tool. Honestly, I don't care that she's dead. She knew what could happen if she went there and the people she was trying to help turned against her. I just hope that we don't use her as a battle cry to send troops to the region.


Where the frick are you getting this information?
Posted by CoachDon
Louisville
Member since Sep 2014
12409 posts
Posted on 2/10/15 at 10:11 am to
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She was over there trying to show what the Assad regime was doing to the rebels. She wasn't there giving aid, she was there simply as a propaganda type tool. Honestly, I don't care that she's dead. She knew what could happen if she went there and the people she was trying to help turned against her. I just hope that we don't use her as a battle cry to send troops to the region.


Take off the tin foil hat. You are obviously a disturbed person as well. Mental help is available through your healthcare provider. Prayers sent for you.
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