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re: ISIS hostage Kayla Mueller confirmed dead by family
Posted on 2/10/15 at 10:33 am to Arkla Missy
Posted on 2/10/15 at 10:33 am to Arkla Missy
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Exactly the point I was coming here to make. ... Obama's "argument" is the most ridiculous statement I've seen him make thus far, and that is saying a lot.
I don't think it's as ridiculous as you think. You can't view the tribal Afghan, Iraq, and Syria, and all those conflict torn regions - which have been in war with each other for centuries - similar to the modern world of the West. They aren't the same one bit, the people have a completely different mindset. Unfortunately, those leading the masses are akin to Alexander the Great, or whatever have you. The only way to promote your message is through the sword.
This post was edited on 2/10/15 at 10:36 am
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Posted on 2/10/15 at 10:36 am to htownjeep
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What exactly do you claim to be the "hellhole"? What are the exact borders of where you think we should not go?
Anywhere in Syria or anywhere North/West of Baghdad. Better? Anyone who thinks they can go to Aleppo and make some sort of a difference right now distributing water is a naive fool.
Posted on 2/10/15 at 10:38 am to Ignignot
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True however, since the age of technology and information has begun, radial christians predominantly do not kill any more in the name of religion And the other side does
Obama's point, very very obviously, isn't to say that what ISIS is doing is acceptable on any level.
What he is saying is that, in the same way that modern Christians aren't even slightly pro-crusades just because Christianity was involved, modern Muslims should feel comfortable being 100% anti-ISIS despite the groups ties to Islam.
It's also the reason that it makes sense to not call the group the "Islamic State", since its in a part of the world where "Islamic" is considered a very positive adjective; just like it would make since to not refer to a terrorist group in the US "Jesus' Friends" even if that is what they wanted to call themselves.
Posted on 2/10/15 at 10:40 am to REG861
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Anywhere in Syria or anywhere North/West of Baghdad. Better? Anyone who thinks they can go to Aleppo and make some sort of a difference right now distributing water is a naive fool.
This
Posted on 2/10/15 at 10:40 am to LoveThatMoney
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Where the frick are you getting this information?
Her very own YouTube video.
Posted on 2/10/15 at 10:41 am to REG861
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100% agree.
What's more important to him? Coordinating with our allies to defeat these frickers, or appeasing America's liberal college professors?
I'm really not sure. I've never been on the hate Obama bandwagon but lately a lot of his actions have been downright bizarre. If ISIS commits some attack on the US homeland is he going to tell lecture us about our history of killing Native Americans.
Posted on 2/10/15 at 10:44 am to GRTiger
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And that is fricking dumb. Really, really dumb. It's giving them a pass. I will not use 1000 year old actions as a prism for viewing ISIS today. And if that was Obama's goal, than he is really banking on America's stupidity for it to work.
OK. Don't get me wrong, I don't think we should give these yahoos a pass. Far from it. That's the rhetoric I'm talking about being used in this context. It's bullshite. The President isn't giving ISIS a pass. Should he have said it at all? Probably not. But to say that he's giving ISIS a pass is fricking stupid. But again, that's the rhetoric.
I don't disagree with you on principle and I don't disagree with you that ISIS is similar to how Christianity was 1000 years ago. Note, however, that you replaced "Islam," which is what I wrote, with "ISIS," and therein lies the problem. You, like many others, are conflating the two, which is ignorant and dangerous.
In many ways, Christianity and Islam are similar, even today. It wasn't that long ago that a guy in Norway went apeshit in the name of Christianity (2011 if I remember correctly). Yeah, he was a loon, but again, people do crazy shite in the name of their faith. Just like there was a massive outcry over those killings by Christians, there are millions of Muslims, many of whom are in the U.S. and Europe, and many of whom are in the Middle East who condemn the acts of these ISIS extremists.
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Are you saying Obama was basically telling us to give it another 1000 years?
I don't think so. I simply think he's trying to show the American masses (mostly Christians) that we need to be careful with how we view Islam when we see the atrocities that are being carried out by ISIS.
Again, did he do a good job of getting his point across? Apparently not. Was the time to give that speech when he gave it? Probably not. But let's not engage in this rhetoric that the President is lumping Christians in with ISIS. That's just willful blindness.
This post was edited on 2/10/15 at 10:46 am
Posted on 2/10/15 at 10:45 am to upgrayedd
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Honestly, I don't care that she's dead.
I'm sure most will say the same when you die as well.
Posted on 2/10/15 at 10:46 am to beaver
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The crusaders weren't decent
The Crusades were a response to the first round of Muslin world terrorism. They were coming into Europe; raping and pillaging so the Christians decided to try and wipe them out (or at least send them back to the sandy abyss)
Posted on 2/10/15 at 10:46 am to upgrayedd
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She was over there trying to show what the Assad regime was doing to the rebels. She wasn't there giving aid, she was there simply as a propaganda type tool. Honestly, I don't care that she's dead. She knew what could happen if she went there and the people she was trying to help turned against her. I just hope that we don't use her as a battle cry to send troops to the region.
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Honestly, I don't care that she's dead.
really?? where have you heard this... from the little men under your bed.
these types of people devote their lives to something besides themselves. They have the courage to put the lives of others before their own.
People like you and the others saying she deserved to die should seriously consider killing youself. People like you and the others should not be allowed to reproduce you ignorant arse hat.
This post was edited on 2/10/15 at 10:49 am
Posted on 2/10/15 at 10:47 am to studentsect
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Obama's point, very very obviously, isn't to say that what ISIS is doing is acceptable on any level.
What he is saying is that, in the same way that modern Christians aren't even slightly pro-crusades just because Christianity was involved, modern Muslims should feel comfortable being 100% anti-ISIS despite the groups ties to Islam.
It's also the reason that it makes sense to not call the group the "Islamic State", since its in a part of the world where "Islamic" is considered a very positive adjective; just like it would make since to not refer to a terrorist group in the US "Jesus' Friends" even if that is what they wanted to call themselves.
And in the meantime, while these "scholarly & enlightening" religious lectures are continuing, innocent people are being murdered in the most heinous ways imaginable by terrorists. The president of the U.S. chooses to search for ways not to respond with inaction while the King of Jordan chooses to respond appropriately and evidently doesn't give two fricks about whatever injustices were committed & by whom 1,000 years ago, which makes sense considering this is not 1,000 years ago, and these atrocities are occurring present time. King Abdullah makes Obama look like the chump that he is.
Posted on 2/10/15 at 10:47 am to Tiger in NY
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They were coming into Europe; raping and pillaging so the Christians decided to try and wipe them out (or at least send them back to the sandy abyss)
Too bad they failed...
Posted on 2/10/15 at 10:48 am to ThuperThumpin
Turn about is apparently fair play in his eyes. Like I've said before, the only sentiment I've gotten from Obama lately is indifference. He talks and talks and never says anything and does even less. He's pretty much just talk show fodder at this point. There is finally someone else besides Britain that wants to help us, and they are in the fricking middle east, and we're just sitting here doing nothing.
Posted on 2/10/15 at 10:48 am to upgrayedd
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Where the frick are you getting this information?
Her very own YouTube video.
Do you have a link? I would like to see that.
Posted on 2/10/15 at 10:50 am to Tiger in NY
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The Crusades were a response to the first round of Muslin world terrorism. They were coming into Europe; raping and pillaging so the Christians decided to try and wipe them out (or at least send them back to the sandy abyss)
You should probably study the First Crusade more. At the risk of sounding like Obama, 'Christians' from Gaul and Frank stormed their way through Eastern Europe raping and pillaging other Christians in nominal support of the Orthodox Christian Emperor in Jerusalem/the Levant, and subsequently sacked Jerusalem, killing thousands of Jews, Muslims, and Christians.
The difference is Christianity has evolved with the times. Which is where Obama's false moral equivalence resoundingly failed.
This post was edited on 2/10/15 at 10:51 am
Posted on 2/10/15 at 10:52 am to TigerStripes06
What do you want to see? Activate more troops and fight this head on? We have been air raiding them for a lot longer than you give credit.
Posted on 2/10/15 at 10:53 am to Arkla Missy
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And in the meantime, while these "scholarly & enlightening" religious lectures are continuing, innocent people are being murdered in the most heinous ways imaginable by terrorists. The president of the U.S. chooses to search for ways not to respond with inaction while the King of Jordan chooses to respond appropriately and evidently doesn't give two fricks about whatever injustices were committed & by whom 1,000 years ago, which makes sense considering this is not 1,000 years ago, and these atrocities are occurring present time. King Abdullah makes Obama look like the chump that he is.
King Abullah has massive public support in favor of Jordan going in and trying to wipe the floor with daesh. Jordan is also a wildly different country than the U.S. It's apples and oranges.
But yes, it's fricking frustrating and supremely disheartening to appear to not be doing anything, though, to be fair, U.S. airstrikes have helped rebels against ISIS retake lost territory.
Posted on 2/10/15 at 10:53 am to 68wDoc68w
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People like you and the others saying she deserved to die should seriously consider killing youself. People like you and the others should not be allowed to reproduce you ignorant arse hat.
So you're mad he said he's glad she died, but in the same post, you tell him to kill himself?
Congrats, you're both pieces of shite.
Posted on 2/10/15 at 10:53 am to REG861
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Anywhere in Syria or anywhere North/West of Baghdad. Better? Anyone who thinks they can go to Aleppo and make some sort of a difference right now distributing water is a naive fool.
Fair enough. I wouldn't disagree. I only ask because I know many people that have no clue about the Middle East region at all. I go to the Middle East for business and people (some even in my own family) are always very worried. They don't believe me when I tell them I feel safer walking the streets of Manama, Abu Dhabi and many other cities than I do walking in downtown Houston, New Orleans, Memphis etc. And I'm not exaggerating one bit.
Posted on 2/10/15 at 10:54 am to REG861
Yeah, the first crusade was an, our sect of Christianity, catholicism, etc etc is better than your Judaism, Islam, sect of Christianity etc. Banners didn't even unite until later. They just rode around killing indiscriminately. But, they all agreed they wanted Jerusalem for themselves.
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