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Spinoff: engineers vs. PE's
Posted on 1/14/15 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 1/14/15 at 4:14 pm
All the talk earlier about doctor vs dentist and recognition between the two sides reminds me of the old argument I haven't seen in a while.
Is someone who works in the oilfield or a refinery whose title is "engineer" actually an engineer?
How do professional engineers out there feel about the loose usage of the term engineer?
Is someone who works in the oilfield or a refinery whose title is "engineer" actually an engineer?
How do professional engineers out there feel about the loose usage of the term engineer?
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Posted on 1/14/15 at 4:16 pm to Road Tiger
quote:Fine with me, its just a title.
engineer
noun
1.
a person trained and skilled in the design, construction, and use of engines or machines, or in any of various branches of engineering :
a mechanical engineer; a civil engineer.
2.
a person who operates or is in charge of an engine.
3.
Also called locomotive engineer. Railroads. a person who operates or is in charge of a locomotive.
4.
a member of an army, navy, or air force specially trained in engineering work.
5.
a skillful manager:
a political engineer.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 4:16 pm to Road Tiger
And still, neither knows how to drive a goddamn train.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 4:17 pm to Road Tiger
Posted on 1/14/15 at 4:17 pm to Road Tiger
Quality engineers as a title are the worst. Most don't even have an engineering degree.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 4:20 pm to Road Tiger
...waits for CharlesLSU
Posted on 1/14/15 at 4:20 pm to Road Tiger
quote:
How do professional engineers out there feel about the loose usage of the term engineer?
I don't know how true this is, but when I was at Chrysler all the engineers there told me that all the PE's get stuck in the closet and have to work with the lawyers. They told me it was really no point in getting a PE unless you are a civil engineer.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 4:22 pm to Road Tiger
Some baw is gonna come in here citing criminal code and telling all the non-PE engineers they're going to the fricking slammer
Posted on 1/14/15 at 4:23 pm to Road Tiger
quote:
PE
Posted on 1/14/15 at 4:25 pm to Road Tiger
They gonna get so mad..... All dem P.E. folks 
.... Making shite salaries and the oil and gas folks bringing home the bacon.... 
ETA: some food for thought
.... Making shite salaries and the oil and gas folks bringing home the bacon.... ETA: some food for thought
quote:
Based on 2010 survey findings from the National Society of Professional Engineers (NSPE), licensed engineers make an annual median salary of $99,000, while those with no license or professional certification earn $94,000 a year.
This post was edited on 1/14/15 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 1/14/15 at 4:28 pm to Road Tiger
I'm a sanitation engineer
Cro Acka, SE is how I sign my emails
Cro Acka, SE is how I sign my emails
Posted on 1/14/15 at 4:50 pm to Road Tiger
quote:I know a lot of engineers working for majors, specifically petroleum, who are not registered.
Is someone who works in the oilfield or a refinery whose title is "engineer" actually an engineer?
How do professional engineers out there feel about the loose usage of the term engineer?
Posted on 1/14/15 at 5:00 pm to Road Tiger
Doesn't matter to me.
Every engineer today, was called an engineer before getting (if they ever did) get their PE.
Every engineer today, was called an engineer before getting (if they ever did) get their PE.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 5:01 pm to Road Tiger
As a registered PE, I don't really care who calls themselves an engineer. Anyone who is going to pay my salary or consulting fees know the difference.
On that note, the PE designation is not an indicator of excellence - just competence and the motivation to jump through hoops and get licensed.
On that note, the PE designation is not an indicator of excellence - just competence and the motivation to jump through hoops and get licensed.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 5:03 pm to Road Tiger
quote:
Is someone who works in the oilfield or a refinery whose title is "engineer" actually an engineer?
Shows you know nothing of a refinery and what they classify as an engineer, and shows more that you just want to stir shite up with oil jobs.
quote:
How do professional engineers out there feel about the loose usage of the term engineer?
PE is just the CPA of engineering doesn't mean not having one doesn't make you an engineer or accountant.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 5:08 pm to Road Tiger
A TRUE engineer is one who has a stamp. All others are pretenders.
No such thing as:
Environmental
Mud
Sanitation etc
No such thing as:
Environmental
Mud
Sanitation etc
Posted on 1/14/15 at 5:54 pm to Road Tiger
As a fairly fresh ChemE grad debating whether to pursue a PE or not, this thread hasn't been very helpful :(
Posted on 1/14/15 at 5:54 pm to Road Tiger
By law, you are not an "engineer" unless you are a PE. It is the only way you can be bonded.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 6:10 pm to Road Tiger
I get called an engineer by my employer and he bills for me as a senior engineer. I never took the EIT or FIT or PE tests of any sort. My immediate supervisor is a PE in many states and is a director at the company. He hired me after I reviewed a ton of his people's documents and calculations...he signs the end product, I work as an 'engineer'. I produce analyses and review other engineers' from the company. I'd rather be a scientist, but being an 'engineer' pays more.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 6:11 pm to Road Tiger
I kinda view the PE as letting me know that whoever took the time and effort to get their license at least gave enough of a shite to take the time and effort to get their license. Someone said all that it means is that someone took two more open book tests than they did, but at least they gave a half a frick and bothered to take and pass those two simple open book tests.
As to competency, I don't think that it really indicates a whole hell of a lot one way or another. Good and bad engineers both come with licenses and without.
Now, if a PE is actually affixing a seal and signing it, that's a different story than just just having the license. At that point someone actually starts using the license, I take it for granted that whoever affixed and signed knows what the hell they're doing simply because of the strict liability they just accepted.
As to competency, I don't think that it really indicates a whole hell of a lot one way or another. Good and bad engineers both come with licenses and without.
Now, if a PE is actually affixing a seal and signing it, that's a different story than just just having the license. At that point someone actually starts using the license, I take it for granted that whoever affixed and signed knows what the hell they're doing simply because of the strict liability they just accepted.
This post was edited on 1/14/15 at 6:15 pm
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