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re: Kobe rips AAU basketball
Posted on 1/3/15 at 1:49 pm to danman6336
Posted on 1/3/15 at 1:49 pm to danman6336
From what I understand, it's probably the majority opinion now. People like Peej still stick up for the 80/90s guys, but that's because he's Peej.
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Posted on 1/3/15 at 1:51 pm to danman6336
Damn Dan. Dropping knowledge 
Posted on 1/3/15 at 1:51 pm to TotesMcGotes
I'm sure both sides could support their case with pretty good arguments
I didn't mean to sound like a dick with the entitled to opinion comment, but in this case it is just kind of an opinion
I didn't mean to sound like a dick with the entitled to opinion comment, but in this case it is just kind of an opinion
Posted on 1/3/15 at 1:53 pm to quail man
Hey I know a little bit about basketball. You guys don't give me enough credit on here.
Posted on 1/3/15 at 1:54 pm to danman6336
Yea there's no real way to quantify talent from then and now. I don't think anyone would argue that players today are widely more athletic than their 80/90s counterparts, but that doesn't make them better players, necessarily. I just think that they top to bottom talent today is much better than it was then, but again, no way to successfully argue it.
Posted on 1/3/15 at 1:55 pm to danman6336
quote:
Hey I know a little bit about basketball. You guys don't give me enough credit on here.
Whoa, let's not go overboard here.
Posted on 1/3/15 at 2:00 pm to quail man
He's right about AAU ball.
The irony though, is Kobe's style of play would never cut it in Europe. The selfishness has always been off the charts, which would never fly over there.
The irony though, is Kobe's style of play would never cut it in Europe. The selfishness has always been off the charts, which would never fly over there.
Posted on 1/3/15 at 2:04 pm to VOR
John Stockton age 28 - 14.2 apg 17.2 ppg
Chris Paul age 29 - 9.2 apg 17.7 ppg
Chris Paul age 29 - 9.2 apg 17.7 ppg
Posted on 1/3/15 at 2:07 pm to HeadyBrosevelt
You could argue that the best player vs best player MJ vs Bron and MJ is better
Big men in the 90's were WAAAAAAAAAY better than to today. That's the one category that isn't even close. 80/90s murder today as far as PF/C.
Today probably has better PGs, but it's not like back then was barren of talent (Stockton, Payton, Isiah, Kevin Johnson, Hardaway)
Big men in the 90's were WAAAAAAAAAY better than to today. That's the one category that isn't even close. 80/90s murder today as far as PF/C.
Today probably has better PGs, but it's not like back then was barren of talent (Stockton, Payton, Isiah, Kevin Johnson, Hardaway)
Posted on 1/3/15 at 2:10 pm to quail man
that's funny because Kobe is about the most AAU player in the league...an unrepentant chucker chasing a stupid record to the detriment of his team
I guess he's trying reverse psychology
I guess he's trying reverse psychology
Posted on 1/3/15 at 2:15 pm to danman6336
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80/90s murder today as far as PF/C.
I'd take Durant & Davis over Malone & Barkley
Posted on 1/3/15 at 2:19 pm to HeadyBrosevelt
I'm putting this bitch on the MSB, since this is off topic of the OP anyway
Posted on 1/3/15 at 2:26 pm to danman6336
it's actually on topic, talking about player evolution due to AAU
Posted on 1/3/15 at 8:30 pm to quail man
I hate that rapists ball hog but what he said just then was pure good.
Posted on 1/3/15 at 8:44 pm to HeadyBrosevelt
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John Stockton age 28 - 14.2 apg 17.2 ppg
Zone defense illegal
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Chris Paul age 29 - 9.2 apg 17.7 ppg
Zone defense legal
Not saying they are equal, but there is no way to compare the 2 apples-to-apples.
Posted on 1/4/15 at 8:22 am to quail man
There are problems with AAU. But USAB dominates on every level. The NBA is as good as it's ever been. I would like to see USAB exert more control, but I'm not sure there is a real issue here, unlike in US Soccer. Lets not forget Kobe plays with a bunch of shitty teammates for a shitty coach.
To me, a problem is just how much the NBA has changed in the last decade. AAU, HS, NCAA haven't kept up at all with this massive evolution. For me, watching CBB is like watching a Precambrian version of the sport.
The existential question that needs to be figured out is what is the purpose of these development leagues? To produce NBA players? To make money for handlers, schools, coaches, shoe companies, the NCAA? To promote a healthy lifestyle through basketball and give all comers a chance to play? Decide what the question is and then you can talk about some answers
To me, a problem is just how much the NBA has changed in the last decade. AAU, HS, NCAA haven't kept up at all with this massive evolution. For me, watching CBB is like watching a Precambrian version of the sport.
The existential question that needs to be figured out is what is the purpose of these development leagues? To produce NBA players? To make money for handlers, schools, coaches, shoe companies, the NCAA? To promote a healthy lifestyle through basketball and give all comers a chance to play? Decide what the question is and then you can talk about some answers
Posted on 1/4/15 at 10:08 am to quail man
the sport needs better teachers (coaches) at the grassroots level. fundamentals such as using both hands, passing/catching w/ both hands, blocking out, rebounding and its importance,defensive principles, footwork, basic p&r screening, etc. should be taught in the 7-10 year old range.
make sure the kids know the basics by the time they get to high school. the best coach i played for was in HS and every monday was 'back to basics' practice where we would hammer those fundamentals and our basic half court sets.
it comes down to teaching, AAU is an outlet for some kids, for some its a summer thing and for others its the big show and love it or hate it the colleges will be watching. a lot depends on location as well.
make sure the kids know the basics by the time they get to high school. the best coach i played for was in HS and every monday was 'back to basics' practice where we would hammer those fundamentals and our basic half court sets.
it comes down to teaching, AAU is an outlet for some kids, for some its a summer thing and for others its the big show and love it or hate it the colleges will be watching. a lot depends on location as well.
Posted on 1/4/15 at 10:12 am to corndeaux
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For me, watching CBB is like watching a Precambrian version of the sport.
Interestingly enough, Dale Brown of all people has made this point in advocating significant rule changes for the college game.
Posted on 1/4/15 at 10:42 am to VOR
Yep college basketball has gotten tough to watch. The best teams to watch are the mercer's and Lehigh 's. Teams with seniors that actually learn how to play the game.
Posted on 1/4/15 at 10:56 am to cgrand
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that's funny because Kobe is about the most AAU player in the league...an unrepentant chucker chasing a stupid record to the detriment of his team
He wasn't knocking the narcissism, he was putting down the lack of fundamentals.
If you have flair & fundamentals, Kobe's got no problem with that, as he obviously plays by those rules himself.
But if a rookie big man can only do "fancy" moves entering college or the league, and still can't post up, he thinks that's "crap".
That's where he blames the money-driven AAU for focusing on showtime, instead of development during an optimal time in a player's journey.
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