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re: Alleva is Holding Les’s Feet to the Fire

Posted on 1/2/15 at 10:55 pm to
Posted by mrbayoublu
Acadiana
Member since Jan 2004
2815 posts
Posted on 1/2/15 at 10:55 pm to
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3) The O was YOUNG this year...YOUNG.


This excuse is unacceptable. Not with respect to wins and loses, but to how that offense looked...no way they should be so inept and that's why I don't like that excuse.
Posted by Cap Crunch
Fire Alleva
Member since Dec 2010
54189 posts
Posted on 1/2/15 at 10:56 pm to
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Then we finish unranked in the two seasons since. If Alleva is doing anything he's try to salvage his reputation and possibly career. I

Or he was just being an a-hole
Posted by RummelTiger
Texas
Member since Aug 2004
90847 posts
Posted on 1/2/15 at 10:57 pm to
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This excuse is unacceptable. Not with respect to wins and loses, but to how that offense looked...no way they should be so inept and that's why I don't like that excuse.


Running game looked okay.

We all know there's a massive issue with the passing game.

Posted by LuckyTiger
Someone's Alter
Member since Dec 2008
46619 posts
Posted on 1/2/15 at 11:01 pm to
Les is not happy with Alleva right now according to what I have heard. He wanted Chavis to get his money.
Posted by Cs
Member since Aug 2008
10552 posts
Posted on 1/2/15 at 11:08 pm to
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1) How was our offense last year, Cam's first year...with a good QB.


We had 4 NFL starters at skill positions...and we finished 7th in the SEC in total offense. The offense also stalled numerous times against completely inferior competition (Ole Miss, Arkansas, etc).

quote:

2) Look at what we lost on O this year.


A&M lost more than we did on offense, yet they finished with the 30th ranked offense in the country. We finished 77th with one of the worst passing offenses in the country.

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The O was YOUNG this year...YOUNG.


We had a veteran offensive line. Our top two targets at receiver have been in the program for multiple years. Jennings was a sophomore, and had already spent an entire year under Cam's instruction.

This post was edited on 1/2/15 at 11:09 pm
Posted by The First Cut
Member since Apr 2012
14144 posts
Posted on 1/2/15 at 11:09 pm to
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As I see it, Joe’s tack is that Les needs to stop


It's tact, not tack.
Posted by MountainTiger
The foot of Mt. Belzoni
Member since Dec 2008
14691 posts
Posted on 1/2/15 at 11:10 pm to
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It's tact, not tack.

No, it's tack. It's a sailing term.
Posted by The First Cut
Member since Apr 2012
14144 posts
Posted on 1/2/15 at 11:11 pm to
Posted by MountainTiger
The foot of Mt. Belzoni
Member since Dec 2008
14691 posts
Posted on 1/2/15 at 11:13 pm to
Posted by BasilBogomil
Member since Dec 2012
6112 posts
Posted on 1/2/15 at 11:21 pm to



tack
[ tak ]
NOUN
a method of dealing with a situation or problem; a course of action or policy:
Posted by Methuselah
On da Riva
Member since Jan 2005
23350 posts
Posted on 1/2/15 at 11:22 pm to
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As I see it, Joe’s tack is that Les needs to stop trying to ‘buy’ his way to success and instead ‘coach’ his way to success. Put yourself in Alleva’s shoes for a moment. Other coaches have to find young coaching talent and develop them. Why can’t you? You convinced me to hire an OC that’s among the highest paid. What do I have to show for it? How much risk do I want to hitch the LSU football future to?

While I have no great admiration for Alleva, there's no way he is that idiotic. That's like a race car owner telling his guy in charge: "No, don't go out and get the best car you can. Just pick up something off the street and see if you can work on it and develop it into a good race car".

At this level, you get every advantage you can get.
Posted by s_i5
Earth
Member since Jul 2004
2020 posts
Posted on 1/2/15 at 11:38 pm to

Alleva is a pathetic AD
Posted by semjase
New Smyrna Beach FL
Member since May 2014
11514 posts
Posted on 1/2/15 at 11:39 pm to
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3) The O was YOUNG this year...YOUNG.
His name is Anthony Jennings, not Anthony Young. Tired of hearing all this SP'ing "We're Young" BS.
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
17286 posts
Posted on 1/2/15 at 11:47 pm to
I hear you but I think there's a limit and in Joe's mind we've reached the limit. IOW, the on-field results don't merit what Les is asking.
Posted by Dudebro2
San Diego
Member since Dec 2011
8967 posts
Posted on 1/2/15 at 11:52 pm to
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You convinced me to hire an OC that’s among the highest paid. What do I have to show for it? How much risk do I want to hitch the LSU football future to?


Here are the facts, in 2014 LSU had the highest paid assistant coaching staff in the country. What did LSU get for that 8-4 regular season record, 4-4 SEC record and a bowl loss to show for the money spent. One of the worst offenses in the country and worst offense in the SEC. I can tell you if I was Alleva I would be pissed. I am sure that not matching Chief's offer had a lot to do with that. Hard to justify paying that kind of money when the results are 8-5.

The problem with the situation is other schools are now paying $1.7mil for top established coordinator talent, so if you want to keep pace with your opponents that is now the going rate. With Sumlin/Chavis, Malzahn/Boom & Saban/Kiffin that is a tough gauntlet to run every year. That is why a bunch of my posts "the ones the censors didn't whack" stated Miles needs to get this hire right, because our rivals sure are looking to get it right.

This post was edited on 1/2/15 at 11:53 pm
Posted by texastigerr
Texas
Member since Jan 2005
8445 posts
Posted on 1/3/15 at 12:09 am to
Then explain to me how tOSU was able to win 11 games with their second and 3rd string quartebacks and then hang 42 on Alabama on a "Neutral" field with their 3rd string quarterback who had played what? 1game in a 59 to nothing blow out of Wisconsin where he mostly just handed the ball off. Against Bama he managed their offense with enough of a throwing threat to rack up 42 points and open up their running game. How much time does Les and Cam need to get a quarterback and offense going?
Posted by BTRDD
Member since Jun 2009
3445 posts
Posted on 1/3/15 at 12:24 am to
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As I see it, Joe’s tack is that Les needs to stop trying to ‘buy’ his way to success and instead ‘coach’ his way to success. Put yourself in Alleva’s shoes for a moment. Other coaches have to find young coaching talent and develop them. Why can’t you? You convinced me to hire an OC that’s among the highest paid. What do I have to show for it? How much risk do I want to hitch the LSU football future to? At first, I blamed Joe for not ponying up the money to retain our old DC. But maybe it was the right thing to do.


As I see it, Chavis was the only coach who's area consistently held up it's end of the bargain.
Posted by epbart
new york city
Member since Mar 2005
2974 posts
Posted on 1/3/15 at 12:25 am to
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As I see it, Joe’s tack is that Les needs to stop trying to ‘buy’ his way to success and instead ‘coach’ his way to success.


I think I see what you're trying to say... which implies a question of value. While it's true that talented coaches command increasingly higher salaries, it's also true that established/high profile coaches will almost certainly command a higher salary than arguably more talented coaches who don't have name recognition yet.

Yes... and sure-- Aleva would certainly rather spend less money wherever he can; that is part of his job. But I don't think the part of your OP that I quoted directly bears on the situation the way you're suggesting. I don't think there was any intention to force Les to find a young, diamond-in-the-rough coach for less money.

That being said, I do think Aleva looked at the "value" angle, and decided Chavis was not worth what Chavis was asking for. If Chavis had sustained the excellence of the 2011 defensive squad the past three years, I think Aleva might have agreed to the higher terms. But the defense-- while good-- has not been anywhere near that good. So, to me it is a straight value call on what he thought Chavis was worth.

And like Dudebro2 said, the LSU staff is already the highest paid staff, and the team rankings the last two years have not quite measured up to that payout. Aleva really should be aware of that and not just hand out raises to every asst just because they ask. If an assistant is already in the top 5 or 10 in the country pay wise, he damn well better be bringing in a lot of value to merit a raise. Chief didn't. He was good and he was a steady presence, but nothing more.
Posted by TigerOnThe Hill
Springhill, LA
Member since Sep 2008
6914 posts
Posted on 1/3/15 at 12:35 am to
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Are you stupid or somethin?

At least he's made an argument. All you've done is make insults. If you don't agree w/ his assessment, man up and make a counter argument.
Posted by texastigerr
Texas
Member since Jan 2005
8445 posts
Posted on 1/3/15 at 12:37 am to
So then what is Nikki Caldwell worth? She doesn't even havé a top 25 team. And shé is coaching a team in a sport that is non revenue producing. Doesn't even turn a profit. How long does she get.
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