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re: Drug raid in rural Georgia ends in a homeowner dead, no drugs found...
Posted on 12/11/14 at 11:50 am to GeauxTigerTM
Posted on 12/11/14 at 11:50 am to GeauxTigerTM
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GeauxTigerTM
Correct. If it doesn't affect them, people really won't give a shite about this if they perceive it to not really have a chance of affecting them.
What a sad state of affairs that the only way to get coverage is to fan the flames of the racial crap. Otherwise, cops skate everytime. Unfortunately, it seems to get shite done.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 11:51 am to Sentrius
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No knock warrants may be a good idea for truly violent criminals that pose a great threat to the community and are worth taking into custody and this idea of no knock warrants was intended for that exact scenario and to only be used rarely.
They are intended to prevent the destruction of evidence.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 11:55 am to Speedy G
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They are intended to prevent the destruction of evidence.
And that's worth over somebody dying? Whether it be the cop or homeowner?
No knock warrants are fricked up if preservation of evidence is the top priority instead of taking the truly violent criminals into custody that pose a threat to the community.
Evidence isn't worth anybody's life being ended man.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 11:58 am to rb
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David Hooks was shot in the back and head as he was lying face down on the floor during a drug raid by Laurens County deputies.
That's according to the lawyer representing his family.
Shook, who is representing his family, says the raid was illegal and has asked the FBI to investigate.
He says officers were looking for drugs in the home, but didn't find any. Shook says the officers fired 17 shots inside the home and struck Hooks.
He says Hooks had four wounds, two of which he says are very problematic. Shook says that's according to the Laurens County EMS records. He says the same information is found in the medical records from Fairview Park Hospital.
"One was to the side of the head, the other, was in his back, the back of his left shoulder, based on the evidence we see, we believe that David Hooks was face down on the ground when he received those last two shots," says Shook.
Shook says they have not received the autopsy yet from the GBI.
Teresa Hooks, David's wife, remembers the night clearly.
She says, "Between 10:30 and 11, I turned the light off upstairs. I heard a car coming up the driveway really fast, and I looked up the upstairs window. I saw a black vehicle with no lights. I saw 6 to 8 men, coming around the side of my house, and I panicked. I came running downstairs, yelling for David to wake up. He was in the bedroom asleep, had been for about an hour and a half. When I got downstairs to the bottom of the stairs, he opened the door and he had a gun in his hand, and he said, 'Who is it?,' and I said I didn't know. He stepped back into the bedroom like he was going to grab his pants, but before he could do that, the door was busted down. He came around me, in the hall, into the den, and I was gonna come behind him, but before I could step into the den the shots were fired, and it was over."
She says, "Initially, I thought that I was going to die, I thought I was going to be shot, I thought a gang had broke in, and up until I heard the radios the dispatch radios, I had no idea."
Hooks says she sat outside in handcuffs for two hours after her husband was shot to death.
She says during that time, she had to watch her husband on a stretcher without a word from officers about what was going on.
Hooks says she appreciates all of the support from the community.
Unbelievable.
Quite a few people need to go to prison over this.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 11:59 am to Speedy G
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They are intended to prevent the destruction of evidence.
You're right, that's the rationale. It's also a crock of shite.
There are more opportune times to catch him in which he would have no ability destroy evidence or resist. Everyone has routines. Just the slightest bit of investigation could reveal a point in time where he would be vulnerable for arrest.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 12:02 pm to Sentrius
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They are intended to prevent the destruction of evidence.
And that's worth over somebody dying? Whether it be the cop or homeowner?
I guess when you need to justify your budget, they are.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 12:02 pm to Andre
Let me guess. It was an "unfortunate" situation.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 12:04 pm to Asgard Device
Page 4 and no one even bothered to ask about the dog.......damn, no respect or feelings!
So, did the dog make it?
So, did the dog make it?
Posted on 12/11/14 at 12:06 pm to Pettifogger
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Edwin Watts gon burn!
Oh yeh, I could use a few new clubs too.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 12:07 pm to Sentrius
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And that's worth over somebody dying?
Absolutely not. Just pointing out how they get sanctioned for not obviously dangerous suspects.
I would be comfortable with them being declared outright unconstitutional (except in a hostage type situation), but there should at least be a very strict framework of guidelines.
If it is just some dangerous suspect alone in a building, why even go in at all?
Posted on 12/11/14 at 12:08 pm to Andre
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But according to the return search warrant, the shotgun Hooks had in his hands had no ammunition.
Now these pigs are shooting people that are carrying unloaded guns? WTF? They should have to wait until people actually shoot at them so they know there is ammo in the weapon, if not it is murder. DUH!
Posted on 12/11/14 at 12:09 pm to Andre
Sad part is its a lose lose situation.
Even if he sucessfully defended his home and killed the intruders, he'd probably be looking at life in prison.
Even if he sucessfully defended his home and killed the intruders, he'd probably be looking at life in prison.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 12:09 pm to MSMHater
quote:Yeah, I really don't understand the rationale behind these things most of the time. Whatever happened to a good old fashioned stake out?
You're right, that's the rationale. It's also a crock of shite.
There are more opportune times to catch him in which he would have no ability destroy evidence or resist. Everyone has routines. Just the slightest bit of investigation could reveal a point in time where he would be vulnerable for arrest.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 12:10 pm to The General
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The "no knock" warrant was based on the testimony of a meth addict that had stolen Mr. Hooks vehicle two nights before out of the drive way. Tells the police that he "found" 20 hits of meth in the SUV. Are you kidding me?
Holy shite. Is that real life?
Hey we found meth in this car that you stole. oh, you say it was already there. I totally believe you. Let's go kill the people you stole the car from! pew pew pew.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 12:15 pm to Andre
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but before he could do that, the door was busted down. He came around me, in the hall, into the den, and I was gonna come behind him, but before I could step into the den the shots were fired, and it was over."
She says, "Initially, I thought that I was going to die, I thought I was going to be shot, I thought a gang had broke in, and up until I heard the radios the dispatch radios, I had no idea."
Hooks says she sat outside in handcuffs for two hours after her husband was shot to death.
She says during that time, she had to watch her husband on a stretcher without a word from officers about what was going on.
That's fricking horrible.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 12:15 pm to lsu480
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Now these pigs are shooting people that are carrying unloaded guns? WTF? They should have to wait until people actually shoot at them so they know there is ammo in the weapon, if not it is murder. DUH!
Would you or would you not grab your gun if a bunch of guys dressed in black kicked down your door and ran into your home?
ETA: never mind, sarcasm meter is broken
This post was edited on 12/11/14 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 12/11/14 at 12:16 pm to lsu480
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They should have to wait until people actually shoot at them so they know there is ammo in the weapon, if not it is murder.
Maybe "these pigs" shouldn't violently invade the home of innocent people. God forbid an innocent man desire to protect his family with his 2nd amendment right.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 12:18 pm to Catman88
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Its the fricking rubber stamping judges out there.
This. Judges sign off on warrants to not appear soft on crime. The threshold for justifying a no knock warrant should be extremely high. For the safety of the homeowner and police.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 12:19 pm to Speedy G
quote:The rationale is "we got all these shiny toys and we get to play dress up like a real military. PEW PEW!"
Yeah, I really don't understand the rationale behind these things most of the time. Whatever happened to a good old fashioned stake out?
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