re: Grand Jury Doesn't Indict Cops who kill man with down syndrome

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Ok. But they were involved. And the acted negligently. DId the liberal laws make the police act the way they acted

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How would you arrest a 400 lb man that didn't want to go to jail?

I am not endorsing what happened, just asking how you would handle him?

Unfortunately, many people who are drawn to be police don't have the proper personality for the job. My dad is a retired police officer and has plenty of stories of officers who reveled in the power of the badge that improved their opportunity to apply verbal, sexual, or physical abuse on others.

The problem comes in that they have to really go over the line before anyone even looks at it as a problem. For example, I was driving down Florida Blvd. In the left lane so that I could turn into BRCC. I was pulled over for driving to slow (the speed limit) in the left hand lane. The cop reemed me out for being in the left hand lane because that was only for passing. He screamed at me while putting his finger in my chest to emphasize every point. Now I know he was full of shite but I just apologized because I wanted to avoid trouble. If I would have reported him it would have been the story everyone laughed about around the coffee pot. Instead of someone in charge looking at it as a abusing their position in the community.

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I am not endorsing what happened, just asking how you would handle him?

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Firstly, I would not put him in a "choke hold" and sit on top of him for so long when there are plenty of fellow officers around and its clear no one is in any danger.

Secondly, thats an unfair question. Its not about what would I do; I'm not a trained officer of the law. I wouldn't ask you what would you do in the OR if you accidentally clipped an important aortic side branch during a AAA repair and it was hosing. However, the surgeon is trained to deal with these situations, and if they are negligent they should be held responsible. Likewise for so-called "trained" LEO.

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Posted by Gulf Coast Tiger
The so called "police state" is mainly because of liberal laws. Like the Garner case, the police shouldn't be involved in that type of case.

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Yes those laws lead to more encounters with cops which can lead to more death. But what does that really say about cops?

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It is a fair question since you have such strong opinions about how LEO's should arrest a 400 lb man that clearly was not going to jail without a fight

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Without killing him. Same for a man with DS trying to watch a movie a second time. Is that not specific enough?

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Without killing him. Same for a man with DS trying to watch a movie a second time. Is that not specific enough?

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The Garner case can be defended somewhat. This case is hard to defend.

I would argue that the police should not have been even enforcing the cigarette law, but the arrest was valid and the techniques were legal, but not within NYPD policy. This is why the GJ did not indict. This is splitting hairs I know and this will cost NYPD money and this officer his career. Garner's wife did not help her case with her interview though.

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Well, we've had three or so this year. I guess that's an acceptable level of loss.

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Not what I'm saying. It's a bit like airliner crashes. Very rare, but absolutely terrible if it happens to you.

The odds of it happening to any of us... 3 out of 300,000,000 in a given year... would seem to be very low of causing me (or you) harm. I'm a lot more upset about Obamacare.

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Especially since they're just civilians.

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Your claim. Not mine.

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But I submit its part of the larger problems of a 1) lack of accountability, 2) a hyper-aggressive response stance from police in the face of relatively minor threats

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I'm certainly NOT advocating for excessive force. Nor suggesting we turn a blind eye to it when it occurs. Merely that we are becoming hyper-sensitive to it, to the point of mis-characterizing it to entice more emotion from the situation. The emotional reaction to presume the cops are wrong is just as bad the emotional reaction to presume they are right. When we lose our perspective and become dominated by our emotions... we are easily manipulable.

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and 3) the issues of making police revenue collectors for the state.

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Welcome to Big Government! I ABSOLUTELY agree government is OOC and needs to be restrained--BADLY. But the way to do that is to get control of our government, not attacking the employees. Especially, when they have guns.

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Here's a rundown of a bunch of positional asphyxia cases over the past years.

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Thank You! That's a good link.

But many were not non-violent arrests...

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An arrestee who appeared intoxicated actively resisted officers... When they tried to subdue him, he bit an officer and a physical altercation ensued... After a scuffle with the state highway patrolman... a woman who responded to handcuffing by attacking one of them, forcing him to the ground, seizing his flashlight, and pummeling him about the head and shoulders...The man ultimately collided his body with one of the officers, and was subjected to pepper spray as well as a Taser, but continued to resist

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What I get from reading that is resisting arrest, being high on coke, or being obese greatly increases your odds of positional asphyxia. Precipitating causes?

And some are clear misconduct. No need to sit on a handcuffed perp, for example. Indefensible.

Thanks man. You've helped me understand some things, and formulate my thoughts better.

There are some flat out retards on this board. Probably make the victim look like a MENSA candidate.

From the link:

Cops working security responded to a complaint. Asked patron to leave. He responded violently. They cuffed him and placed him on his stomach. He became distressed. They tried to save him. He died.

There's a whole lot of reading between the lines and illogical gymnastics going on to get from the scant few details given to "they killed him". The lack of skepticism of an article that devoid of details and with such an obvious agenda is frankly depressing.

Maybe they killed him because they were bored on a thursday and hated fat half-wits, but there's no telling from that shitty article.

Honest real talk: I clicked on the link thinking "please don't be black, please don't be black"