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re: Grand Jury Doesn't Indict Cops who kill man with down syndrome
Posted on 12/8/14 at 6:36 pm to Gulf Coast Tiger
Posted on 12/8/14 at 6:36 pm to Gulf Coast Tiger
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No problem, but we have over 500K injuries a year also.
Eh. That doesn't mean much. Some of that is cops who don't know how to drive. Etc. You'd need to break that down for me to care.
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Posted on 12/8/14 at 6:45 pm to the808bass
quote:Ah ok. Gotcha. And I see your point mostly.
Cops want us to respect their often hyper-reactive responses based upon incidences that have a very small statistical chance of happening. Then, when the shoe is on the other foot and they've killed someone through negligence or carelessness or whatever you want to term their issue here, we're supposed to recognize that the incidents are really rare. They don't get it both ways.
quote:sorry if I over-presumed. It seemed like you were suggesting the Downs guy should have not been arrested because he had DS.
Who said anything about laws being ignored?
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And the rush to defend the indefensible keeps widening the chasm between civilians and LEOs
not sure how the OP headline helps, either? quote:
Your last argument is just stupid.
quote:Myself... Not being a cop... Have no fear of being killed "on duty". It isn't something I worry about.
Fewer than 50 cops will be killed in the line of duty by violence this year. Based upon your argument, I think we can cross that off the list of things to worry about.
That said... I'm not suggesting we look the other way when cops do bad thing--AT ALL.
But the idea that this is common and a threat to most of us seems... overblown.
It seems like an attempt to incite emotion more than advise us of some serious threat to our life. That's a classic propaganda move. Feels like we're being worked up.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 6:48 pm to the808bass
quote:so it's your contention that "sitting in a movie theater watching a fricking movie" was the motivation for killing him?
He kinda was.
If that st true, the charge should be murder. But I don't see any evidence to indicate that.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 6:51 pm to onmymedicalgrind
quote:Nope. If they intended to kill the guy for watching a movie as the OP suggested they should be strung up. Which is why I asked the original question.
Yea bc there will always be a bunch of TAs that defend them regardless.
Here is a hint: my problem is with the hyperbolic reporting, And misleading slug -- not a defense of the police in general.
This post was edited on 12/8/14 at 6:52 pm
Posted on 12/8/14 at 6:55 pm to Taxing Authority
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an attempt to incite emotion more than advise us of some serious threat to our life. That's a classic propaganda move
If it is propaganda, the police are doing a damn good job of providing the subject matter. These aren't nearly as isolated as one might think.
If there was a new way that criminals were luring cops to their deaths and 4 or 5 cops had been killed in that fashion, they'd have training seminars at every level and location on it. But since it's just a way police are killing civilians, "it's really rare" and "no one can tell when it might happen" and the really important thing is that they all go home safely.
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common and a threat
Police abuse of power, misconduct and excessive violence is absolutely common. I don't feel a personal threat to myself. That doesn't really change the need for reform in how we police our communities.
This post was edited on 12/8/14 at 7:01 pm
Posted on 12/8/14 at 6:58 pm to Taxing Authority
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contention that "sitting in a movie theater watching a fricking movie" was the motivation for killing him?
It was the precipitating event. If you can't handle a mentally handicapped dude in a movie theater who wants another round of Zero Dark Thirty without escalating the situation and killing him, we don't need you as a police officer.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 7:03 pm to the808bass
quote:i donno. One stat I saw said 1 in 25 people would be arrested in an average year. Seems high, and probably skewed by some having multiple arrests. That would seem to indicate something like 12,000,000 arrests a year? How many die from "choke holds" in non-violent situations? (I'm still looking)
If it is propaganda, the police are doing a damn good job of providing the subject matter. These aren't nearly as isolated as one might think.
quote:I have no idea if that's true or not? I'm not privy to what police training involves.
If there was a new way that criminals were luring cops to their deaths and 4 or 5 cops had been killed in that fashion, they'd have training seminars at every level and location on it. But since it's just a way police are killing civilians, "it's really rare" and "no one can tell when it might happen" and the really important thing is that they all go home safely.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 7:07 pm to the808bass
quote:Clearly.
It was the precipitating event.
quote:Yeah. I mostly agree. Not sure it's that easy though.
If you can't handle a mentally handicapped dude in a movie theater who wants another round of Zero Dark Thirty without escalating the situation and killing him, we don't need you as a police officer.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 7:12 pm to Taxing Authority
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How many die from "choke holds" in non-violent situations?
Well, we've had three or so this year. I guess that's an acceptable level of loss. Especially since they're just civilians.
That's a pretty silly way of framing the debate as well. Let's ask this question. How many millions will police departments pay out in liability claims this year?
How many people will be shot by police this year? How many unarmed people?
How many millions of dollars of property will be confiscated through civil forfeiture?
How many police officers will be fired for incompetence or malfeasance to have their jobs given back to them through union negotiations?
If we want to limit the problem to just compression deaths, it might look so small that it's not worth dealing with. But I submit its part of the larger problems of a 1) lack of accountability, 2) a hyper-aggressive response stance from police in the face of relatively minor threats, and 3) the issues of making police revenue collectors for the state.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 7:15 pm to the808bass
I have a question: should a cop be able to handle a 26 Y/O unarmed man with downs syndrome WITHOUT KILLING HIM?
I vote yes.
Cops always always whining about pay and danger on the job. What a joke.
I vote yes.
Cops always always whining about pay and danger on the job. What a joke.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 7:16 pm to Taxing Authority
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Not sure it's that easy though.
Barring the loss of power of observation by the officers, it certainly should be that easy.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 7:20 pm to CollegeFBRules
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Barring the loss of power of observation by the officers, it certainly should be that easy.
Yeah of course its that easy. furthermore these assholes get paid to arrest people, WITHOUT KILLING THEM, so it really doesn't matter how easy it is.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 7:24 pm to the808bass
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Eh. That doesn't mean much. Some of that is cops who don't know how to drive. Etc. You'd need to break that down for me to care.
I would take a educated guess that it is probably close to 40% violent encounters, 40% driving and 20% health related issues.
Talking about cops that don't know how to drive, most of these young guys first time driving a real wheel drive V8 is when they join the force.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 7:24 pm to Taxing Authority
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Here's a rundown of a bunch of positional asphyxia cases over the past years. This is a known issue. Police departments protestations to the contrary notwithstanding.
Here's a rundown of a bunch of positional asphyxia cases over the past years. This is a known issue. Police departments protestations to the contrary notwithstanding.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 7:26 pm to MrCarton
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Yeah of course its that easy. furthermore these assholes get paid to arrest people, WITHOUT KILLING THEM, so it really doesn't matter how easy it is.
Preach. If its your job and you can't do it (or its too "hard"), its time to find another line of work.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 7:26 pm to Taxing Authority
LINK
Here's a rundown of a bunch of positional asphyxia cases over the past years. This is a known issue. Police departments protestations to the contrary notwithstanding.
Here's a rundown of a bunch of positional asphyxia cases over the past years. This is a known issue. Police departments protestations to the contrary notwithstanding.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 7:29 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Preach. If its your job and you can't do it (or its too "hard"), its time to find another line of work.
Welcome to the ministry! Lol.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 7:40 pm to Hawkeye95
The media is riding this police brutality horse for all its worth. I have no faith that the police state will end anytime soon, but hopefully the public backlash will at least make some of these idiot cops think twice before killing unarmed citizens.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 7:54 pm to Old Hellen Yeller
The so called "police state" is mainly because of liberal laws. Like the Garner case, the police shouldn't be involved in that type of case.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 7:58 pm to Gulf Coast Tiger
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The so called "police state" is mainly because of liberal laws.
at "so called" and the use of quotes around "police state" quote:
Like the Garner case, the police shouldn't be involved in that type of case.
Ok. But they were involved. And the acted negligently. DId the liberal laws make the police act the way they acted.
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