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Posted on 12/8/14 at 11:24 am to Jim Rockford
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“Ethan was developmentally disabled, not a criminal,” said Joseph Espo, a lawyer who spoke on behalf of Saylor’s parents, Patti and Ron Saylor. “He was entranced by police and police departments and liked communicating with them to the extent that, if there was ever a complaint, it was that he’d call so they could come to the house so he could talk to them.”
Saylor’s mother took cookies to the sheriff’s office at the end of last year to thank the deputies for all the unnecessary trips they made to the house, Espo said.
Sad story. Terrible way for that kid's life to end.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 11:25 am to onmymedicalgrind
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Any bets on who will be the first cop defender to show up with excuses? I want to pick a dark horse, but I'm going with Dawgfan
I'm going to say otto's latest alter
Posted on 12/8/14 at 11:47 am to Hawkeye95
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kill kid with down syndrome
Terrible situation and IMO there is no reason this person should have died in police custody.
One thing that keeps bothering me though is the constant use of "kid" when referring to these "victims".
This guy was 26 years old.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 11:53 am to terd ferguson
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This guy was 26 years old.
Fair. But those with DS often don't have the same maturity level suggested by their chronologic age.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 11:59 am to Navytiger74
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“Ethan was developmentally disabled, not a criminal,” said Joseph Espo, a lawyer who spoke on behalf of Saylor’s parents, Patti and Ron Saylor. “He was entranced by police and police departments and liked communicating with them to the extent that, if there was ever a complaint, it was that he’d call so they could come to the house so he could talk to them.”
Saylor’s mother took cookies to the sheriff’s office at the end of last year to thank the deputies for all the unnecessary trips they made to the house, Espo said.
Sad story. Terrible way for that kid's life to end.
god that is depressing.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 11:59 am to onmymedicalgrind
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This guy was 26 years old.
Fair. But those with DS often don't have the same maturity level suggested by their chronologic age.
i often call anyone under 30 a kid, but it is rather insulting. edited.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 12:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i'm sure prosecutors wait until they have the right GJs for these cases
Posted on 12/8/14 at 12:08 pm to Hawkeye95
It's like they recruit cops out of the psycho ward .... this is a retarded kid they decided to bulldog .... not just psycho cops, but stupid too.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 12:15 pm to mauser
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It's like they recruit cops out of the psycho ward .... this is a retarded kid they decided to bulldog .... not just psycho cops, but stupid too.
I mean, who would take a job where you have to deal with some real shitty people, you're starting to get less and less respect from the gen pop, and you get paid peanuts. These aren't former valedictorians lining up for such an occupation.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 12:20 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Any bets on who will be the first cop defender to show up with excuses? I want to pick a dark horse, but I'm going with Dawgfan
That baybeefeets guy.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 12:20 pm to onmymedicalgrind
It seems that many cops no longer know how to adapt to different situations with different types of people. Many times it seems they issue an order if it is not followed (i.e. resiting) I can now do whatever I want because the person didn't comply, regardless of necessity or severity.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 1:09 pm to mmcgrath
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The 3 cops were working (off duty) as security for the mall. It's not like the manager called 911.
yeah, that's what i figured (didn't read the article, because enough other shite is depressing me on this fine monday). still all ridiculous and sad and pathetic.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 1:22 pm to Hawkeye95
didn't a similar incident happen not too long ago with a down syndrome man? or maybe this is the same one I'm recalling from when the story hit.
eta: yes, this was the incident i was recalling from almost two years ago (I guess the movie title should've given that away). i remember being apoplectic then.
i don't know that i'm for some rash of indictments for every police f up, but something seems very OOC and something needs to be done. i don't even know that i'm for the GoPro solution, as i'm not really for a culture where everyone is surveilled all the time. And i have a feeling it would be abused and have unintended consequences somehow. but f me. something.
also, mistreatment/insensitivity of/toward people with disabilities is one of those hot-button topics for me--along with child and elderly issues-- that go beyond logic and basic sympathy. something clicks in my brain, and I want abusers to die slow and painful deaths. I know I'm not alone here, but it is extreme and a little scary. seeing this story again has f'ed up my day.
eta: yes, this was the incident i was recalling from almost two years ago (I guess the movie title should've given that away). i remember being apoplectic then.
i don't know that i'm for some rash of indictments for every police f up, but something seems very OOC and something needs to be done. i don't even know that i'm for the GoPro solution, as i'm not really for a culture where everyone is surveilled all the time. And i have a feeling it would be abused and have unintended consequences somehow. but f me. something.
also, mistreatment/insensitivity of/toward people with disabilities is one of those hot-button topics for me--along with child and elderly issues-- that go beyond logic and basic sympathy. something clicks in my brain, and I want abusers to die slow and painful deaths. I know I'm not alone here, but it is extreme and a little scary. seeing this story again has f'ed up my day.
This post was edited on 12/8/14 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 12/8/14 at 1:53 pm to McLemore
They were working for a private company so they probably wouldn't be wearing cameras even if the department required them. This is a bad situation no doubt and I would like to read the facts, not just a biased piece of reporting.
It is a sad fact that nowadays reporting seems to be more fiction than fact and that the reporters seems to just try and enflame the public for ratings instead of trying to find out the truth.
It is a sad fact that nowadays reporting seems to be more fiction than fact and that the reporters seems to just try and enflame the public for ratings instead of trying to find out the truth.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 2:10 pm to terd ferguson
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This guy was 26 years old.
Mentality could easily have been like that of a kid, even at 26.
This story is absolutely heartbreaking.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 2:14 pm to Hawkeye95
I've told all my friends. I've told my family. I'm posting it here again.
If you have a friend or relative who has mental/psychological issues, do not call EMS or the police unless they are seriously in danger of causing extreme injury to themselves or others. Extreme.
When the police come, they may decide they need to kill them. And you can't fix that once it happens.
Note again: calling EMS is the same thing as calling the police. They will respond and kill people who simply need medical/psychological intervention.
If you have a friend or relative who has mental/psychological issues, do not call EMS or the police unless they are seriously in danger of causing extreme injury to themselves or others. Extreme.
When the police come, they may decide they need to kill them. And you can't fix that once it happens.
Note again: calling EMS is the same thing as calling the police. They will respond and kill people who simply need medical/psychological intervention.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 2:14 pm to Hawkeye95
Very sad, he had an "aide" who took him to the movie and was getting the car pulled up. If they had waited a couple of minutes she could have returned and gotten him to leave.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 2:26 pm to nes2010
shite, this is awful.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 2:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
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They also added that having Down Syndrome made him more susceptible to death, but they did not explain how.
This right here is 100% bullshite.
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