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Posted on 11/12/14 at 3:34 pm to CptBengal
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So the argument is that the coaches decisions are flawless?
you are the King of the Straw Man
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interdasting....that seemed to be wrong with the Welter saga.
Beckwith has sucked too. When Chavis felt like he was ready to play, he played him and stopped taking him out. pretty simple concept. Does that mean Chavis was wrong or Beckwith got better?
Posted on 11/12/14 at 3:35 pm to supatigah
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supatigah
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Think about it in a work environment and Cameron is a manager and miles is an executive
You have a salesman that shows up early, stays late, always does the extra work, knows the products inside and out, is dependable and works well with others. He does OK in making his numbers but probably won't be a top performer over the long haul because he is limited in his abilities to close deals.
You have a new hire that is a female thoroughbred. Very attractive, very likable, presentation abilities off the charts. But she doesn't work very hard, relies on her looks and personality to get things done and doesn't know your product line. You know she could be your top employee but you don't know if she wants it.
You can run out the first guy and he won't embarass you but he also may not make much of an impression. You can run out the girl and she could knock it out of the park, but she could also face one technical product question that causes her to trip up and she loses the client immediately.
Which way do you go?
Hilarious comparison. Is it WORK or is it SALES? I want a BEAST selling. I don't care about her punctuality. I want a damn animal. I worked in commissioned sales and the best salesman weren't often the hard workers. They came in late, they didn't take the calls others did, but the ones they did they converted and closed. Because they were that effing good. Beasts on the phone, compelling in person, and unstoppable when it came to getting the job done.
If I want a PK expert then I'll put them on the phones or in a customer service spot. In sales, I want an ANIMAL that produces. The knowledge will come with time but some things you just can't teach. In sales I've seen it and in sports it's the same way.
Horrible analogy unless you want Harris to play and think Miles gaffed long term by not playing him.
I have heard the same things others have. AJ10 works hard at his craft and stays late, always in the film room, etc. Well after two fall camps, two springs, and 10 starts under the lights, all of that dedication has turned him into a guy who can complete less than 50% of his passes.
It is what it is. He is who he is. Play the talent and let him learn on the job. The payoff will be there. Short term some may walk away but once the cracks are filled in from a mental standpoint, the physical skill will BEAST on everyone...
That consistent fella you reference? He's the kind that gets a golden mophandle after 40 years. He got the perfect attendance award in grade school. That's the LAST THING YOU WANT in a cut throat environment. I want a stone cold KILLER who will compete their arse off.
This post was edited on 11/12/14 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 11/12/14 at 3:37 pm to Spelt it rong
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Harris vs Jennings: Harris can throw it the entire field and is super talented (we all know this) but he doesn't put in the work that AJ does in the film room. He said not a day goes by that he's not in the film room or working with WR's. I told him that it wasn't showing and he just kind of put his head down and said "I know. It's frustrating at times but we're still so young you know?" I basically asked if Miles showed favoritism and he said "not at all. He wants them to compete every week and get better. Jennings has great practices and just never leaves the film room. He's trying to be a student of the game, but Harris is on his heels."
Solid Post
Posted on 11/12/14 at 3:38 pm to mpwilging
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Let's hope that BH isn't this type of player.
Well.....with all the hearsay about Harris and his lack of dedication in the filmroom...it must be fact now....right???? I mean isn't that how it works????
Jesus, you people don't know anymore about what Harris does or doesn't do football related than a man in the moon. Give it a rest.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 3:40 pm to RedTigerRulz
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Well.....with all the hearsay about Harris and his lack of dedication in the filmroom...it must be fact now....right???? I mean isn't that how it works???? Jesus, you people don't know anymore about what Harris does or doesn't do football related than a man in the moon. Give it a rest.
You don't either so who's to say everyone else is wrong?
Posted on 11/12/14 at 3:40 pm to monsterballads
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I don't care about if he starts or not, but could they at least let him run a series or two per half if even just to give the defense a different look? I don't care if it's 5 plays. a couple of read option plays and 3 pass plays or something.
Perhaps he doesnt deserve to play? or he wasnt doing what they asked/told him to do?
He said it himself:
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My thoughts have been MAJOR.. But my work ethic has been average. Won't see my results that way. Time to go harder
maybe he sulked after Auburn
maybe he cant get something that is key to the system
maybe he is just an immature kid and they don't think he can handle the pressure
maybe he is not as good now as we think he is
I dont know, I am not at practice
I do believe the coaches and players want to win. So they play Jennings over Harris for a reason.
I also believe most fans over react to things and are binary thinkers.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 3:42 pm to supatigah
yeah, it could be all of those things. jennings seems like he's doing all of the "right things" and outworking harris in practice, we're just not seeing the results on the field.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 3:44 pm to GFunk
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Hilarious comparison. Is it WORK or is it SALES? I want a BEAST selling. I don't care about her punctuality. I want a damn animal. I worked in commissioned sales and the best salesman weren't often the hard workers. They came in late, they didn't take the calls others did, but the ones they did they converted and closed. Because they were that effing good. Beasts on the phone, compelling in person, and unstoppable when it came to getting the job done.
If I want a PK expert then I'll put them on the phones or in a customer service spot. In sales, I want an ANIMAL that produces. The knowledge will come with time but some things you just can't teach. In sales I've seen it and in sports it's the same way.
Horrible analogy unless you want Harris to play and think Miles gaffed long term by not playing him.
I have heard the same things others have. AJ10 works hard at his craft and stays late, always in the film room, etc. Well after two fall camps, two springs, and 10 starts under the lights, all of that dedication has turned him into a guy who can complete less than 50% of his passes.
It is what it is. He is who he is. Play the talent and let him learn on the job. The payoff will be there. Short term some may walk away but once the cracks are filled in from a mental standpoint, the physical skill will BEAST on everyone...
That consistent fella you reference? He's the kind that gets a golden mophandle after 40 years. He got the perfect attendance award in grade school. That's the LAST THING YOU WANT in a cut throat environment. I want a stone cold KILLER who will compete their arse off.
BOOM
BOOMPosted on 11/12/14 at 3:50 pm to GFunk
the analogy is very appropriate because the high risk/high reward talent can get the manager fired. what if Harris isnt a BEAST but a lamb?
on another note, your post reminds me of this:
Coffee is for closers
FTR I think this situation was mishandled from the beginning. I think a Hodson/Guidry scenario would have worked great here. But that ship has long since sailed.
on another note, your post reminds me of this:
Coffee is for closers
FTR I think this situation was mishandled from the beginning. I think a Hodson/Guidry scenario would have worked great here. But that ship has long since sailed.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 3:51 pm to Spelt it rong
Posted on 11/12/14 at 3:52 pm to BeeFense5
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You don't either so who's to say everyone else is wrong?
I'm not saying they are wrong....I'm saying they're speculating.
You know...what all you pumpers get go fking pissed about and shite yourselves over anytime someone questions Miles work ethic/etc.
Its the same thing.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 3:53 pm to RedTigerRulz
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I'm not saying they are wrong....I'm saying they're speculating.
You Realize that Harris himself said that he needs to put in more time, right?
It's not speculation when someone admits it.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 4:02 pm to BeeFense5
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You Realize that Harris himself said that he needs to put in more time, right?
Point taken....I'm not saying you're wrong, but I
haven't personally read/heard that.
Is there a link to those quotes somewhere?
Posted on 11/12/14 at 4:03 pm to BeeFense5
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You Realize that Harris himself said that he needs to put in more time, right?
Just because he needs to put in more time doesnt mean he isnt currently better than AJ.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 4:03 pm to supatigah
quote:Excellent.
Cameron sees these two everyday. He discusses the previous week's performance. He watches film with them. He puts in the game plan with them. He sees them in practice. he quizzes them in the meeting room. he knows the knowledge of the offense of both of them. he knows what they both can and cant do.
Jennings plays, Harris doesnt. I am certain they play the guy who they feel gives LSU the best chance to win. So if harris doesnt play, it is because they dont feel like he is ready. Why is this so hard for some people to understand?
Posted on 11/12/14 at 4:04 pm to monsterballads
quote:I agree.
I don't care about if he starts or not, but could they at least let him run a series or two per half if even just to give the defense a different look? I don't care if it's 5 plays. a couple of read option plays and 3 pass plays or something.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 4:06 pm to supatigah
For the record, I agree with everything you're saying, and you're putting it into words every one should understand. I've been privy to some conversations that are second hand from family members and players in the huddle, and much of what is being said in this thread by respectable posters, lines up.
I think the question becomes when do we ever feel the need to give the more gifted player a chance to get as comfortable as the more experienced one. As good as LSU's talent has been with our offensive philosophy as is, only playoff caliber teams can beat us, but we are handicapping ourselves.
I think the question becomes when do we ever feel the need to give the more gifted player a chance to get as comfortable as the more experienced one. As good as LSU's talent has been with our offensive philosophy as is, only playoff caliber teams can beat us, but we are handicapping ourselves.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 4:07 pm to supatigah
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supatigah
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the analogy is very appropriate because the high risk/high reward talent can get the manager fired. what if Harris isnt a BEAST but a lamb?
on another note, your post reminds me of this:
Coffee is for closers
FTR I think this situation was mishandled from the beginning. I think a Hodson/Guidry scenario would have worked great here. But that ship has long since sailed.
You have no clue how true to life it is, either. I'm telling you I saw people take their 100 calls a month and make their 7K in fees in the mortgage biz way back when...but the ones who cleared six figures? Not made it on their W-2, but BROUGHT HOME over $100K back then? They weren't there at 8:30. They left before 4 and they ran errands and BS'd during the day. 100 calls? Sales funnels? Pipeline? It's great to manage consistent results but a BEAST didn't need any of it.
Their people couldn't say no to them. They had no choice. It was over when they called and the BEAST answered the phone. He/She was going to have them sending NASCAR pit passes and Lobster's and Appalachicola Oysters or some
shite to them...and this was AFTER they willingly got their heads knocked off in fees.
Nobody built a business like that without an ambition that sometimes outstripped their reach. You need a wolf, brother. If you're selling something, others are too. You need a wolf.
In your analogy, the guy with the golden mophandle is AJ10. He's tried and tried and tried...and his efforts have plateaued him. Like I saw on ATVS earlier. If I have to choose between the wrong answer and the unknown, I choose the unknown.
This post was edited on 11/12/14 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 11/12/14 at 4:18 pm to RedTigerRulz
quote:LINK
Is there a link to those quotes somewhere?
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