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For those saying let Harris start and take his lumps
Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:24 pm
First, there's little doubt that athletically, to anyone observing, that Harris has more tools. But you can't ignore that he doesn't have the "it" factor now to give us the best chance to win. Second, while BH may be more gifted than AJ, you have to admire Jennings willingness to come out and give everything he has for the Tigers, even after being booed at home (and yes, I know many will say they were booing miles).
Having said that though...doesn't coach Miles owe it to the seniors on this team and the fans to play for this season? You dont know what next year will bring. Wouldn't it be a slap in the face to guys who have busted their butts for 4 and 5 years to just tell them this year we're going to take our lumps so that next year we MAY be better? How would you feel if you were that senior? If you were a parent of that senior? Why is it not ok to win for them today?
This is, of course, excluding the types who will say that Harris gives us our best shot to win today, having ignored the Auburn game and what the coaches evidently see in practice....
Having said that though...doesn't coach Miles owe it to the seniors on this team and the fans to play for this season? You dont know what next year will bring. Wouldn't it be a slap in the face to guys who have busted their butts for 4 and 5 years to just tell them this year we're going to take our lumps so that next year we MAY be better? How would you feel if you were that senior? If you were a parent of that senior? Why is it not ok to win for them today?
This is, of course, excluding the types who will say that Harris gives us our best shot to win today, having ignored the Auburn game and what the coaches evidently see in practice....
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Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:25 pm to Fratigerguy
Harris was a nervous wreck at Auburn. I think he can do exactly what Jennings has done, EASILY.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:26 pm to Fratigerguy
I think at minimum they should give him a small package to get him some real game experience leading into next season. How in the hell can he grow without being allowed to play?
Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:32 pm to Fratigerguy
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But you can't ignore that he doesn't have the "it" factor now to give us the best chance to win.
What?
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Second, while BH may be more gifted than AJ, you have to admire Jennings willingness to come out and give everything he has for the Tigers, even after being booed at home
Harris wouldn't give his all?
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Having said that though...doesn't coach Miles owe it to the seniors on this team and the fans to play for this season? You dont know what next year will bring. Wouldn't it be a slap in the face to guys who have busted their butts for 4 and 5 years to just tell them this year we're going to take our lumps so that next year we MAY be better? How would you feel if you were that senior? If you were a parent of that senior? Why is it not ok to win for them today?
It's not like Jennings is lighting it up though. He was abysmal for 3 quarters at Florida (Harris being injured I hope was the reason for not playing him at all) and didn't exactly light the world on fire against Kentucky. I want the standards to be the same for both QBs regardless of age
Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:33 pm to Fratigerguy
I think time in the system will improve harris's game more than flailing around on a field.
Clearly he was not comfortable enough to run the offense and deal with starting as a freshmen. and sometimes that happens.
I think people have made good points about guys like Winston, and JFF coming out firing in their RS Fresh year with no playing experience.
Clearly he was not comfortable enough to run the offense and deal with starting as a freshmen. and sometimes that happens.
I think people have made good points about guys like Winston, and JFF coming out firing in their RS Fresh year with no playing experience.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:43 pm to Fratigerguy
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But you can't ignore that he doesn't have the "it" factor now to give us the best chance to win
Here's some friendly advice: When trying to prove a point, avoid saying something stupid as hell in your second sentence.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:57 pm to Fratigerguy
Unless this team gets good play from the QB position, it stands little chance of beating Ole Miss or 'Bama. I do not see much of a comparison between Harris and AJ inasmuch as the latter has yet to show much in terms of reads and throws. He has not run well either. I think Harris is better now, but doubt he see the field much the rest of the year. Just my opinion.
Say what you want about the Auburn game, he needs more reps. Having the QB be a non-factor is a huge disadvantage for LSU.
Say what you want about the Auburn game, he needs more reps. Having the QB be a non-factor is a huge disadvantage for LSU.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:57 pm to Fratigerguy
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But you can't ignore that he {Harris] doesn't have the "it" factor now to give us the best chance to win.
Wow - I couldn't disagree more.
AJ is the one without the "it" factor. There's no energy in the huddle. When Harris is on the field, you can just feel the energy level and confidence pick up.
Any average QB can do what AJ does, which isn't much. Harris is clearly our long-term guy, and I don't understand sitting him. We're not going to beat good teams with the offense under AJ - but Harris gives us a chance at moving the ball through the air.
Yes, he wet the bed against Auburn, but does that mean he sits the bench the rest of the year? How does that help him?
And oh by the way, it's not as if AJ is a senior who'll be gone in a few more games. This QB issue will be around next year ... and the next. Better to solve it now, and that means playing Harris.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 1:03 pm to Fratigerguy
The IT factor doesn't exist.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 1:04 pm to Fratigerguy
The best answer is somewhere between starting and going in for garbage snaps at the end. BH may very well not be ready for the former, but the latter doesn't seem to really built a lot of confidence either.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 1:15 pm to Fratigerguy
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Fratigerguy
thank you for a sane post, but you must have heard: pearls before swine!
Posted on 10/21/14 at 1:16 pm to Fratigerguy
I am fine with the coaches playing either player, but I think Harris should be playing at least some every game, preferably with a scripted series or two and the option to use him in obvious passing situations.
Regarding BH's poor performance against Auburn: (1) he did actually lead a scoring drive, which is something AJ did not do, and (2) was it any worse than AJ's play against NM State? I guess what many of us don't understand is how Jennings seems to have won the job without being very productive.
Regarding BH's poor performance against Auburn: (1) he did actually lead a scoring drive, which is something AJ did not do, and (2) was it any worse than AJ's play against NM State? I guess what many of us don't understand is how Jennings seems to have won the job without being very productive.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 1:17 pm to Fratigerguy
It's pretty easy guys. We have 2 losses. Miles wants the guy in there that he can trust to do what he wants him to do, and he believes that guy is Jennings. He wants to try and work the game so that his QB does not HAVE to put the team on his back.
He is trying to protect both guys from having to do too much.
Jennings has done what he has been asked the past 2 games, and it looks like the rest of the team, particularly the defense, is closer to where it needs to be that he can take some chances.
Harris is a young kid, he will get his chance. But the coach doesn't think he is ready to play a full game at the moment, so he won't.
He is trying to protect both guys from having to do too much.
Jennings has done what he has been asked the past 2 games, and it looks like the rest of the team, particularly the defense, is closer to where it needs to be that he can take some chances.
Harris is a young kid, he will get his chance. But the coach doesn't think he is ready to play a full game at the moment, so he won't.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 1:22 pm to Fratigerguy
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doesn't coach Miles owe it to the seniors on this team and the fans to play for this season?
I don't think that's mutually exclusive. Putting in a QB the defense didn't prep for (at least not as much), especially if you use plays they didn't prep for, can make it easier to win games.
That said, I have no problem with Jennings starting. I didn't agree with playing the whole game against Florida though. Harris should have also entered the Kentucky game earlier, in my opinion.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 1:27 pm to Fratigerguy
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But you can't ignore that he doesn't have the "it" factor now to give us the best chance to win.
The "it" factor?
Yeah, that's what is missing. quote:
Having said that though...doesn't coach Miles owe it to the seniors on this team and the fans to play for this season? You dont know what next year will bring. Wouldn't it be a slap in the face to guys who have busted their butts for 4 and 5 years to just tell them this year we're going to take our lumps so that next year we MAY be better? How would you feel if you were that senior? If you were a parent of that senior? Why is it not ok to win for them today?
If Jennings really was adding something to the equation, this would be a legitimate consideration. But, let's not pretend that we are running a wide open offense with Jennings. It is very scaled back as a result of his shortcomings.
The truth is that we will be underdogs in the remaining games. And, there is legitimate concern that if we don't invest in Harris now, then we are going to be in the same place next year. Sorry, that that concern outweighs the remainder of this year.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 1:29 pm to Fratigerguy
Harris needs to clearly win the job in the spring, it's too late for it now, he showed against Auburn he is not ready! PERIOD!
Posted on 10/21/14 at 1:42 pm to Fratigerguy
Jennings is better at checking into/out of plays at the line. Thats why he's the starter.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 1:57 pm to Fratigerguy
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First, there's little doubt that athletically, to anyone observing, that Harris has more tools. But you can't ignore that he doesn't have the "it" factor now to give us the best chance to win. Second, while BH may be more gifted than AJ, you have to admire Jennings willingness to come out and give everything he has for the Tigers, even after being booed at home (and yes, I know many will say they were booing miles).
Having said that though...doesn't coach Miles owe it to the seniors on this team and the fans to play for this season? You dont know what next year will bring. Wouldn't it be a slap in the face to guys who have busted their butts for 4 and 5 years to just tell them this year we're going to take our lumps so that next year we MAY be better? How would you feel if you were that senior? If you were a parent of that senior? Why is it not ok to win for them today?
This is, of course, excluding the types who will say that Harris gives us our best shot to win today, having ignored the Auburn game and what the coaches evidently see in practice....
I think Miles made a mistake NOT starting BH against New mexico State. Bad idea to give him his first start on the road at a top 5 SEC team.
That said, AJ has not turned the ball over the last 2 games and, while he has not played great, we are improvong.
At this time, neither QB goves us a great shot at winning, but AJ has earned the starting job for now. Or BH has lost it, depending of your pwerspective.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 2:07 pm to Fratigerguy
Jennings looks at one receiver (usually Dural) the whole play and usually just lofts a fade route to him. Trey Quinn is open often over the middle of the field and rarely gets looked at. I don't know what Jennings does that Harris can't do RIGHT NOW.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 2:19 pm to Fratigerguy
Harris should be playing at minimum half the snaps, he is the QB of the future, nothing else matters...period, end of story, GTFO
This post was edited on 10/21/14 at 2:21 pm
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