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re: Rewatched the Auburn game.........(WARNING: TL;DR)

Posted on 10/9/14 at 9:40 am to
Posted by monsterballads
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Posted on 10/9/14 at 9:40 am to
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four deep


not what other teams are doing. look around the SEC, teams are rotating DL and LB players to keep them fresh.
Posted by TIGER FAN 72
Member since Jun 2009
716 posts
Posted on 10/9/14 at 9:40 am to
Good Summary.

I completely feel you on the lack of targeting D. Smith. I'm pretty sure he's only been targeted once this year... absolutely inexcusable.

Somebody made a good point yesterday though in the lack of TE targeting that makes perfect sense.

Last year = no TE targets because we had ODB & JL. Who in the hell would not throw to them?

This year = no TE targets because TE's are more often 3rd read and new QB's hardly ever make it past the 2nd read.
Posted by BeeFense5
Kenner
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 10/9/14 at 9:41 am to
Feist is a disappointment to me. I thought he was going to be a legit player for us after watching him play in the Under Armor High School All American game
Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 10/9/14 at 9:42 am to
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not what other teams are doing. look around the SEC, teams are rotating DL and LB players to keep them fresh.


We are doing that, too. But our second team DTs consist of an undersized, converted DE (Neal) and a big bodied guy who has underperformed to this point (Bain).

Moreover, Lacouture and Godchaux clearly lack discipline. They are trying to shoot through gaps on every play, they get out of position easily, and they are getting little run support in the middle of the D from the backers behind them.
Posted by BayouBengalBoy
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 10/9/14 at 9:42 am to
I agree with all, but the Harris bit. Les had to start Harris based on prior PERFORMANCE! Hopefully, Harris will start and play well against the Gators!
Posted by sunnydaze
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Posted on 10/9/14 at 9:43 am to
I don't think I've heard Louis' name called all year
Posted by SM6
Georgia
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Posted on 10/9/14 at 9:43 am to
Great write up. Thanks!
Posted by BeeFense5
Kenner
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Posted on 10/9/14 at 9:43 am to
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I don't think I've heard Louis' name called all year


Louis was in on a few plays against Auburn.
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
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Posted on 10/9/14 at 9:43 am to
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Jennings had the worse 1 quarter out of any quarterback I have seen in any level of football. How in the hell was Miles suppose to not start Harris after he lead us on 7 count them again 7 straight TD drives.



People that keeping harping on Harris in the NMS game are the same type that thought we had some great defense after shutting out SHS and ULM. It is practically irrelevant in determining how that player will then perform against a very good SEC team.

Now I do agree that Jennings playing bad against a team like that is more relevant than Harris playing great, but he was clearly forcing the issue when the fans started booing every time he walked on the field.


The first turnover wasn't even a bad play. It was the first drive, he had a nice 9 yard run on the first play, Hilliard picked up a first on the next play, then Jennings had another nice run on first down but took a hard hit from a safety who got his helmet right on the ball despite Jennings covering it up well. It happens.

We went 3 and out the next drive with Jennings taking a big sack on 2nd down The next drive we were throwing on 1st down, and he was under pressure and made a bad decision to force a ball to Dural into triple coverage. Very bad play. But he was rattled. Again, it happens.


The next drive is when the boos started. After two nice runs by Magee picking up a first down, we came out throwing again on 1st down, and he was clearly pressing. He forced another ball to Dural, in single coverage this time at least, to beat a blitz, but the ball sailed on him and was picked off.


Now, I know it's bad because it happened against NMS. But he was pressured on both of those INTs and made a bad decision to throw it up for grabs.

But if that constitutes the "worst quarter of LSU football by a quarterback" many of you have seen, you are clearly betraying your youth and ignorance on the topic.

Jennings needed to sit in that NMS game, and Harris did a great job taking over.

That doesn't mean he was ready for Jordan Hare against a top 5 team that was going to put up 40 on our D so they knew they could attack at will against a young QB.
Posted by LSU GrandDad
houston, texas
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 10/9/14 at 9:44 am to
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The DTs are simply not playing well. I really don't understand why there isn't an almost constant rotation of bodies


makes one wonder how bad the other guys are at practice.

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Lacouture has been extremely ineffective


having to start him and a true freshman tells us something. and it ain't good.

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but for over a year now, they simply cannot get any sort of consistent pressure on opposing quarterbacks.


no qb pressure and no plugging up the middle has, and will continue to spell doom for this defense.

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On offense, I was bashed pretty hard last week for saying that starting Harris was a mistake, and I think it was pretty clear that it was. He simply wasn't ready for that environment, and waving for the crowd to get louder before the first snap was as clear a sign as any that he didn't know what he was getting into.


our fans ALWAYS scream for the guy on the bench when the O is not playing well. Harris is simply not ready. we are going to have to go with Jennings even tho he has major limitations. imo, Harris will be ruined if we continue to start him. I think he's scared shitless in there.

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It was even more frustrating because the offensive line actually looked pretty darn good.


I agree and it looks to me that their hard work is paying off.

folks, we HAVE TO RETURN TO THE RUN GAME if we are gonna beat somebody on this schedule. when you can't throw a pass you're fricked. all of these "experts" on this board that want to open things up just don't get it. I envision a multitude of pick sixes if we do that.

with the way QB's transfer if they don't win the starting job these days I don't know the answer. maybe we should sign some 3 star guys with enough smarts to be a good backup but not enough high school rep to expect to start early or transfer. I just don't know. I don't care what anybody says, cam Cameron is a damn good qb coach. the whole situation is disheartening but damnit i'm LSU to the core and will support these young men to the end. THEY ARE LSU!
Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 10/9/14 at 9:44 am to
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I don't think I've heard Louis' name called all year


Also had his best game against Auburn. 9 tackles.
Posted by FlappingPierre
St. George
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 10/9/14 at 9:44 am to
I understand why people want Harris not to start. But you can't say Jennings gives us a better chance to win. They are both equal to me right now, but Harris has more ability. So I would give Harris the start just because of that and let him continue to grow
Posted by Big EZ Tiger
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 10/9/14 at 9:45 am to
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The DTs are simply not playing well.


Miles said they played "much better" against Auburn and said there were some really strong performances. I understand wanting to be positive, but that's a stretch. Hunter did have a lot of tackles though and gave good effort.

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Oh, and I love Miles as much as anyone, but he clearly didn't know we had a timeout at the end of the half. Making it worst by trying to explain away a clear mistake like that is just really ill advised and gives the bashers ammo.


I might've given him the benefit of the doubt if he hadn't had this issue numerous times before. Although we took a timeout against State before half, we let about 20 seconds runs off of the clock before calling one, so we basically wasted it. I'm not sure which is worse, not knowing we have a timeout or just not calling one. These coaches all have headsets. You mean to tell me NO ONE is hollering "TIME OUT" into the headsets? What are they discussing on those things? Also, every stadium has a score board with the timeout information on it.
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
26732 posts
Posted on 10/9/14 at 9:45 am to
I agree so much with this post, it isn't even funny

I have been saying for weeks that LaCouture is not effective much at all. Godchaux gets the double teams, and is still the only one of them who actually gets into the backfield. I think working Trey LMFAO in over time will be better than sticking with LaCouture for 95% of the game.

I've also been saying that leaving these guys in all game, gets them gassed and makes them even less effective than they already are. It boggles the mind that Bain or Gilmore don't see more snaps. If anything, it would relieve the starters.

I also thinking sending Teuhema in on obvious passing downs is a great idea, because he has the speed to get to the QB.

Harris took himself out that game. He is nowhere near that bad. He was pretty much a nervous wreck, and it caused a lot of problems for us on offense. I do think Jennings needs to start this week with Harris coming off the bench. I also think he needs to start against Kentucky, where he is at home in a much easier environment (when the fans are not booing ).

I brought up Smith just yeasterday. The guy has been ghost ever since his first drop. I think he can be forgiven now low. Dickson can't catch and when a TE ever gets a ball thrown to them, I'd rather it be the one with good hands.
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
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Posted on 10/9/14 at 9:47 am to
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he clearly didn't know we had a timeout at the end of the half.


Only part I disagree with. The clock stopped with the first down. IF Harris is more aware of the situation, he could have made a quick throw to set up the FG better or had a chance at the TD. He didn't get a quick snap (whether you believe the clock started early or not) and he took to long to throw. There should have been plenty of time to call the TO for another play.



I love Miles and defend him as much as anyone, but trying to defend that is really not smart. There is ZERO reason not to take the timeout with a young QB there. You can still run multiple pass plays to the sideline, but you need to make sure your true freshman QB is aware of the situation and have a couple of calls communicated to him directly on the sideline.

Miles' clock management is overblown imo, but that was just a bad decision and the result is precisely why it was not the right call.



Posted by Tiger Voodoo
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Posted on 10/9/14 at 9:50 am to
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Lacouture has been extremely ineffective.


Really? He had 6 tackles, 1.5 TFL and 1 sack. Lacouture played well.





No. He didn't. When and where were those tackles made? Hint, not the first half. And how many did he miss? How many plays was he completely run out of his lane by a single blocker?

I rewatched the game. You clearly just looked at a stat line. And that stat line does not in any way reflect how he actually played on a down by down basis.

Auburn had 600 yards and 40 points and basically tried to run out the clock for the final 20 minutes of the game. I can assure you no one on that DL "played well".
Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
33963 posts
Posted on 10/9/14 at 9:53 am to
Nobody on d played well in the first half. I just find it odd that you choose to single out lacouture when he just had his best game if the year.
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
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Posted on 10/9/14 at 9:54 am to
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Neal and Clark also rotate in regularly. At DT we go four deep without QT (Lacouture, Godchaux, Neal, Bain).



Neither Neal nor Clark played in the first half.

Again, REwatch the game. Sitting around with your buddies on a Saturday night in a state of emotion is not the way to actually process what is happening in a game and why.

There is a reason coaches and analysts break down hours of film. Sitting and watching it play out live and then trying to analyze a game based on that one live viewing is how misconceptions get perpetuated.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
20047 posts
Posted on 10/9/14 at 9:57 am to
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Again, REwatch the game. Sitting around with your buddies on a Saturday night in a state of emotion is not the way to actually process what is happening in a game and why.

There is a reason coaches and analysts break down hours of film. Sitting and watching it play out live and then trying to analyze a game based on that one live viewing is how misconceptions get perpetuated.


You're on a roll
Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
33963 posts
Posted on 10/9/14 at 9:57 am to
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Again, REwatch the game. Sitting around with your buddies on a Saturday night in a state of emotion is not the way to actually process what is happening in a game and why.


Dude get off your high horse. How do you know I haven't REwatched it?

How do you know Lacouture is to blame for the gaping holes in the line and not Godchaux? Rasco? Hunter? How about Ronald Martin and DJ Welter not getting them lined up properly? Etc.

You are passing judgment based on your subjective interpretation, but you don't have all the information upon which to base such a judgment. Moreover, the objective facts don't match up with your assessment.

Sorry, but I think you're wrong. Is the entire defense struggling? Of course. Should we single out Lacouture? No.
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