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re: Rewatched the Auburn game.........(WARNING: TL;DR)
Posted on 10/9/14 at 9:58 am to OceanMan
Posted on 10/9/14 at 9:58 am to OceanMan
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You're on a roll
He's being a jackass, if you ask me. He REwatched the game, so he is going to lord that over anyone who dares disagree with his subjective perception of it.
This post was edited on 10/9/14 at 9:59 am
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Posted on 10/9/14 at 10:00 am to Tiger Voodoo
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Rewatched the Auburn game...
Tell me... Why? Do you think It had a better ending the scond time? This has to be the worst game since the 2012 National Championship with Jefferson...
Posted on 10/9/14 at 10:01 am to C
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I think Miles was trying to show confidence in Harris letting him battle through it. Just like the JJ/JL debates, I'm not sure there is a clear right answer.
I think this is right. Harris' performance in one quarter against MSU and a overmatched NM State team led people to believe that he was going to be the magic bullet. But it's rarely that simple, and if it was, the coaching staff would probably have noticed it first.
Posted on 10/9/14 at 10:04 am to TxTiger82
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but you don't have all the information upon which to base such a judgment. Moreover, the objective facts don't match up with your assessment.
Is the entire defense struggling? Of course. Should we single out Lacouture? No.
I'm really not. I understand that we don't know the call or everyone's specific assignment on every play.
But I certainly can look with my own eyes and see Lacouture struggling to shed or getting pushed around by one person, while a true freshman in Godchaux is holding his ground better against two blockers.
That is a visual certainty.
And I didn't "single out" Lacouture. I analyzed him more than the others because he simply played more, virtually the entire first half minus a handful of plays, which makes less sense when he is not playing particularly well.
Give another guy a chance, just to spell your starter who is struggling if nothing else.
Posted on 10/9/14 at 10:06 am to RonFNSwanson
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Rewatched the Auburn game
Why would you do that to yourself? Gonna watch the National Championship next?
I have rewatched it, multiple times
I love LSU football, win lose or draw. And unfortunately that was the last game of the season so I couldn't just move on to the next one.
Also, I have a problem obviously
This post was edited on 10/9/14 at 10:07 am
Posted on 10/9/14 at 10:14 am to C
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I think Miles was trying to show confidence in Harris letting him battle through it. Just like the JJ/JL debates, I'm not sure there is a clear right answer.
Oh I completely agree. Although I do think we should have had a clear plan to give Jennings every third series or so just in case this happened. If Harris is playing lights out the first two series, then maybe you tell Jennings he'll have to wait because you're sticking with the hot hand, but if he's struggling it's perfect for Jennings to come in as planned just to give Harris a drive to talk with the coaches and collect himself.
I wasn't critical of Miles keeping Harris in, but the decision to start him in the first place.
It was asking for trouble in a game like we knew Auburn was going to be, and now we're in a spot where we've possibly benched both as starters. Very tenuous situation imo and one that could have been avoided by starting Jennings, even if just for the first two drives and telling the team Harris is coming in for the third and fourth drives.
Just throwing him in as the clear #1 because he lit up New Mexico State was something I'd only expect from the Rantards on this board.
I love him, but Miles folded and he shouldn't have.
This was just like Saban giving Russell his first start at The Swamp which turned into a disaster because he was ready just because we got embarrassed by a Georgia team that was simply better than us in 2004.
It was an overreaction in 2004, and it was an overreaction last week.
This post was edited on 10/9/14 at 10:17 am
Posted on 10/9/14 at 10:17 am to Tiger Voodoo
Nice post OP.
Struggling with Harris is ok IMO. Incomoletions not going as interceptions are ok in my view. It dies at least show awareness of the D position and over adjusting. Jennings seemed to not be aware of the defense and where to place throws.
It's irrelavent to me because we wouldn't have won that game with Mett either, again IMO.
I like Mike's and what he represents as a person and as a father to these kids. But he might be the worst head coach under pressure that I've ever seen. Not only in game situations, but also in interviews on pressure topics.
He knew he had a freshman on the road with the clock getting low. NO WAY you put this on him. Call a TO and gather your thoughts, period!
Anyone who says anything different about the end of the half would be lacking severely in knowledge of the situation. It was INSANE!........again!
Struggling with Harris is ok IMO. Incomoletions not going as interceptions are ok in my view. It dies at least show awareness of the D position and over adjusting. Jennings seemed to not be aware of the defense and where to place throws.
It's irrelavent to me because we wouldn't have won that game with Mett either, again IMO.
I like Mike's and what he represents as a person and as a father to these kids. But he might be the worst head coach under pressure that I've ever seen. Not only in game situations, but also in interviews on pressure topics.
He knew he had a freshman on the road with the clock getting low. NO WAY you put this on him. Call a TO and gather your thoughts, period!
Anyone who says anything different about the end of the half would be lacking severely in knowledge of the situation. It was INSANE!........again!
Posted on 10/9/14 at 10:17 am to TxTiger82
quote:The one sack was on a play at the end of the 2nd quarter when we rushed 7 and he was the 4th player to touch the QB who was spinning around in place. Even then he got to the QB the same time as Beckwith. Does this count as a TFL and a tackle as well?
Really? He had 6 tackles, 1.5 TFL and 1 sack. Lacouture played well.
It is ironic how you later talk about stats not being important as sometime players run out of position in search of the numbers. Right after you recite numbers to show us how "disruptive" a player was.
I actually agree with you on the later point. On the one sack play he stayed in his lane and controlled the corner so he did his job. But the sack was not an indication of how well he played.
Posted on 10/9/14 at 10:18 am to Tiger Voodoo
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For all the talk about our predictable play calling and formations, first downs were EXTREMELY effective, and the stat they showed about midway through the 2nd quarter proved it perfectly. At that point, we had 108 total yards, 107 of which came on first down.
Not possible.
All we did was run up the middle from 2 tight end sets. That's all we did. And it can't work. I know this to be fact, it was all over the Rant.
Decent QB play and that game is not the blowout it ended up being. Don't think we could have won, but we could have looked a lot more competitive.
Posted on 10/9/14 at 10:19 am to BeeFense5
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I really think its a busted talent problem and a coaching problem on the D-line.
I think it's a problem of youth, coaching, and not rotating. Why are we not rotating all these young guys? Little to no experience + staying on the field all game + meh coaching + lightweight DTs, equals what we have now.
IMO, it has little to do with talent. Now some are much talented than others, but talent is on the very bottom of the DL problem.
Posted on 10/9/14 at 10:20 am to TxTiger82
quote:He offered an opinion on what he saw. You read the box score.
He's being a jackass, if you ask me. He REwatched the game, so he is going to lord that over anyone who dares disagree with his subjective perception of it.
Posted on 10/9/14 at 10:24 am to Tiger Voodoo
1. Have another upvote.
2. How old are you? I'm curious to know because I really do believe that our fanbase's split on how they view CLM is almost exclusively related to, and very predictable by, age (folks that lived through Curley love Miles/folks too young to live through that hate Miles). That's just a theory though.
3. I never automatically confuse long with too long to read. Like a bad book, I'll quit reading quickly enough if it's not worth the time, but I thought your post was a very solid assessment, was easy to read, and worth my time. I agree with most of what you said. You should probably post more.
2. How old are you? I'm curious to know because I really do believe that our fanbase's split on how they view CLM is almost exclusively related to, and very predictable by, age (folks that lived through Curley love Miles/folks too young to live through that hate Miles). That's just a theory though.
3. I never automatically confuse long with too long to read. Like a bad book, I'll quit reading quickly enough if it's not worth the time, but I thought your post was a very solid assessment, was easy to read, and worth my time. I agree with most of what you said. You should probably post more.
Posted on 10/9/14 at 10:25 am to Tiger Voodoo
I agree with everything except that starting Harris was a mistake. It was the right move. He had no choice. It didnt work out for Harris, but it was the right move. Hindsight is 20/20
Posted on 10/9/14 at 10:27 am to monsterballads
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92 Lewis Neal DE 6-1 255 So. 1L Wilson, N.C. (James B. Hunt HS) 46 Tashawn Bower DE 6-5 237 So. 1L Somerville, N.J. (Immaculata HS) 93 M.J. Patterson DE 6-3 231 Fr. RS Winnfield, La. (Winnfield HS) 94 Danielle Hunter DE 6-6 240 Jr. 2L Katy, Texas (Morton Ranch HS) 54 Justin Maclin DE 6-4 240 Sr. SQ Memphis, Tenn. (Ridgeway HS) 58 Sione Teuhema DE 6-4 232 Fr. HS Keller, Texas (Keller HS) 98 Deondre Clark DE 6-3 244 Fr. HS Oklahoma City, Okla. (Douglass HS) 59 Jermauria Rasco DE 6-3 247 Sr. 3L Shreveport, La. (Evangel Christian Academy) 88 Reid Travis DL 6-0 342 Fr. HS Kentwood, La. (Saint Thomas Aquinas HS) 60 Marcus Roberts DL 5-11 302 So. RS Baton Rouge, La. (McKinley HS) 57 Davon Godchaux DT 6-4 298 Fr. HS Plaquemine, La. (Plaquemine HS) 56 Trey Lealaimatafao DT 6-0 300 Fr. HS San Antonio, Texas (Warren HS) 97 Frank Herron DT 6-4 278 Fr. RS Memphis, Tenn. (Memphis Central HS) 90 Maquedius Bain DT 6-4 299 Fr. RS Ft. Lauderdale, Fla. (Univ. School of Nova Southeastern) 95 Quentin Thomas DT 6-4 303 Jr. 1L Breaux Bridge, La. (Breaux Bridge HS) 96 Mickey Johnson DT 6-1 310 Jr. SQ Covington, La. (St. Paul's HS) 91 Christian LaCouture DT 6-5 300 So. 1L Lincoln, Neb. (Lincoln Southwest HS) 99 Greg Gilmore DT 6-5 305 Fr. RS Hope Mills, N.C. (South View HS) 79 Travonte Valentine DT 6-3 325 Fr. HS Hialeah, Fla. (Champagnat Catholic HS)
10 freshmen, 4 sophomores, and only 5 upperclassmen on this list. We can rotate all we want, but we are woefully young and inexperienced on the DL. Power running games are going to continue to kill us until they grow up between now and next year. Just playing harder isn't going to get it done. They need to get older.
Posted on 10/9/14 at 10:35 am to Tiger Voodoo
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I still think Jennings should have started out this road trip with Harris coming off the bench, and then turn the ball over to Harris in a home start against Kentucky.
Hopefully Miles will go back to that approach this week at The Swamp to avoid giving away a game that is actually winnable with our D and really is a must win imo.
Jennings will start on the road in Florida. I'm worried that it will take to long to bet him off the bench as Miles tends to take his time making the change at QB.
Also, I don't think this approach needs to change at home vs UK. If Jennings starts and BH plays well coming off the bench, then use the same approach vs UK and Ole Piss.
Posted on 10/9/14 at 10:38 am to LSU GrandDad
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we HAVE TO RETURN TO THE RUN GAME if we are gonna beat somebody on this schedule.
defenses are stacking the box. no respect for the QB to throw the ball ala 2010.
Posted on 10/9/14 at 10:42 am to PacWilly
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They need to get older
what about freak and ego playing 90+% of every game last year? where they too young too?
Posted on 10/9/14 at 10:48 am to Tiger Voodoo
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I think Miles was trying to show confidence in Harris letting him battle through it. Just like the JJ/JL debates, I'm not sure there is a clear right answer.
Oh I completely agree. Although I do think we should have had a clear plan to give Jennings every third series or so just in case this happened. If Harris is playing lights out the first two series, then maybe you tell Jennings he'll have to wait because you're sticking with the hot hand, but if he's struggling it's perfect for Jennings to come in as planned just to give Harris a drive to talk with the coaches and collect himself.
I wasn't critical of Miles keeping Harris in, but the decision to start him in the first place.
It was asking for trouble in a game like we knew Auburn was going to be, and now we're in a spot where we've possibly benched both as starters. Very tenuous situation imo and one that could have been avoided by starting Jennings, even if just for the first two drives and telling the team Harris is coming in for the third and fourth drives.
Just throwing him in as the clear #1 because he lit up New Mexico State was something I'd only expect from the Rantards on this board.
I love him, but Miles folded and he shouldn't have.
This was just like Saban giving Russell his first start at The Swamp which turned into a disaster because he was ready just because we got embarrassed by a Georgia team that was simply better than us in 2004.
It was an overreaction in 2004, and it was an o
overreaction last week.
Are you sure you rewatched this game?
"Then again, LSU's coaches made it immediately clear on Saturday that this would not be their most ambitious game plan. Auburn's staff might have expected LSU to open up its offense more after Harris' dazzling performance against NMSU, but by the end of the first quarter, LSU had run the ball 12 times and attempted just two passes (Harris was 1-for-2 with a 52-yard completion to Malachi Dupre that set up a touchdown) and trailed 17-7.
The run-pass split was 17 runs versus two passes -- and the Tigers trailed 24-7 -- by the time they ran more pass plays than runs in a series."
Yes Harris had a couple of miscues on those first 2 drives, why not give him a chance to redeem himself on third and short? Coaches may have had enough faith in him to start him, but once he was in it was not until the game was already over and Auburn knew LSU would be playing catch up the rest of the way until harris started throwing. So yeah, after rewatching that massacr, it becomes a lot easier to say an 18 year old trying to press when his team is down 17 points is playing like...an 18 year trying to press when his team is down 17 points.
Posted on 10/9/14 at 10:48 am to Mathieu7
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Rewatched the Auburn game...
Tell me... Why? Do you think It had a better ending the scond time? This has to be the worst game since the 2012 National Championship with Jefferson..
I don't know if the OP will have answered this for himself by the time I hit submit on this post, but I'll let you know why lots of folks (me included sometimes) watch prior shellacings.
There are many, many folks whose mood is, to one degree or another, affected by the outcome of LSU football games. When our team is pummeled the way it has been in the last two conference games, folks whose mood is VERY affected by those outcomes are interested in knowing, in the infamous words of Richard Pryor, "HOW LONG, MUST THIS bullshite, GO ON." Thus, they'll re-watch pummelings in the hopes that that upon further review and analysis, they see something - some ray of hope, or some glimmer of sunshine - that says "this too shall pass."
It's pretty simple really. Folks that re-watch bad losses aren't masochist. They just want to hopefully find something, when looking deeper, that gives them hope.
Posted on 10/9/14 at 10:53 am to gene_parmesan
If Jennings starts this week and plays more than 50% of the snaps LSU loses. being nervous in your first start is one thing. 3 TOs to a team ranked 119 in 1 quarter is another. I will put $50 on it. You can PM me for paypal.
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