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Posted on 10/9/14 at 9:14 am to monsterballads
Jennings/Harris, Harris/Jennings
why is this coach fielding a team without a QB that cannot throw a routine pass?
only 2 scholarship QBs on the team. why? There are probably 50 QBs in Division 2, or whatever it is called now that can throw a routine pass
can't they even have one slew foot accurate pocket passer on the team?
why is this coach fielding a team without a QB that cannot throw a routine pass?
only 2 scholarship QBs on the team. why? There are probably 50 QBs in Division 2, or whatever it is called now that can throw a routine pass
can't they even have one slew foot accurate pocket passer on the team?
Posted on 10/9/14 at 9:14 am to TxTiger82
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Really? He had 6 tackles, 1.5 TFL and 1 sack. Lacouture played well.
Don't mean to keep harping on this, but Lacouture had his best game of the year against Auburn. He was our 4th leading tackler in the game (Hunter, Mills, and Adams had more) as a DT (that's pretty good).
In general, our defense seems out of position a lot. IMO this comes from players thinking they need to make every play themselves, rather than playing their proscribed roles. How much of this is Lacouture's fault? We can't tell. Hard to know.
Posted on 10/9/14 at 9:18 am to 1badboy
More concerned with why Chavis doesn't rotate his DL and LLB. No one is playing well enough to stay in all the time.thmas needs to go ahead and fix his arm.
Posted on 10/9/14 at 9:19 am to Tiger Voodoo
Nice overview, and some good points. DL and LBer positions simply are sever weak links and I don't know if this team can overcome it this season.
I know people have stated that the early departures have killed this team, but at the DT position for example, LSU lost Brockers and Logan (both wouldn't be here this year). Johnson and ferguson had 1 year of eligibility left, but Ego had been here four years.
Those losses hurt, no doubt, but the fact that players leaving 1 year early left such a game goes entirely on the coaching staff's head. Their recruiting at DE and DT has been mediocre at best since 2010.
2010, we took three DEs and no DTs, turned one into a DT (Ferguson) and another into a FB (Copeland) while Allen stayed at DE. (3 DL players of which only 2 stayed on DL).
2011, Two DE prospects and Two DT prospects (seems reasonable), except one DT prospect has done nothing (Mickey Johnson) and was chosen over Chucky Hunter, Anthony Johnson was okay, and Quentin Thomas has been okay and shifted to DT. So we had Rasco as our only DE in that class.
So far, you have 5 Defensive lineman that are participating from those two classes which is down right horrible.
2012 - LSU takes ONE freaking Defensive line player and its D Hunter. While he's been solid, and Toshiro Davis was another option, neither had any shot at playing DT and we took none.
That's 4 players that play DT in 3 years with one not even playing after 4 years.
2013 - LSU loads up on DL with 7 recruits. Herron, Patterson, Bower, LaCouture, Neal, Bain, and Gilmore. Because of the depth issues from 2010-2012, these guys are going to struggle and not get time to be developed or are simply busts.
In the end, this is my issue with Les' recruiting. They try to fix problems with one year of high volume recruiting rather than consistent recruiting and that is the difference between LSU and Bama right now. Saban doesn't take a year off from positions, and it shows with consistency despite early departures.
LB is another pure example of this. LSU takes 2 mediocre LBs in 2010 with only 1 still on the team (Welter) then 1 in 2011 (Randle) that isn't even on the team anymore. So from 2 recruiting classes, LSU had 1, ONE!, LBer and it was Welter.
2012 resulted in overkill at the position with 6 LBers and only one has developed into anything consistent (Kwon). 2013, we took 3, converted one into a FB that isn't even starting, another and tried to make him a DE can't get on the field ahead of Welter, and the 3rd looks to be a special teamer.
There is a huge flaw in Les and Company's recruiting strategy and therein lies the issues with this team. It's not just about attrition.
I know people have stated that the early departures have killed this team, but at the DT position for example, LSU lost Brockers and Logan (both wouldn't be here this year). Johnson and ferguson had 1 year of eligibility left, but Ego had been here four years.
Those losses hurt, no doubt, but the fact that players leaving 1 year early left such a game goes entirely on the coaching staff's head. Their recruiting at DE and DT has been mediocre at best since 2010.
2010, we took three DEs and no DTs, turned one into a DT (Ferguson) and another into a FB (Copeland) while Allen stayed at DE. (3 DL players of which only 2 stayed on DL).
2011, Two DE prospects and Two DT prospects (seems reasonable), except one DT prospect has done nothing (Mickey Johnson) and was chosen over Chucky Hunter, Anthony Johnson was okay, and Quentin Thomas has been okay and shifted to DT. So we had Rasco as our only DE in that class.
So far, you have 5 Defensive lineman that are participating from those two classes which is down right horrible.
2012 - LSU takes ONE freaking Defensive line player and its D Hunter. While he's been solid, and Toshiro Davis was another option, neither had any shot at playing DT and we took none.
That's 4 players that play DT in 3 years with one not even playing after 4 years.
2013 - LSU loads up on DL with 7 recruits. Herron, Patterson, Bower, LaCouture, Neal, Bain, and Gilmore. Because of the depth issues from 2010-2012, these guys are going to struggle and not get time to be developed or are simply busts.
In the end, this is my issue with Les' recruiting. They try to fix problems with one year of high volume recruiting rather than consistent recruiting and that is the difference between LSU and Bama right now. Saban doesn't take a year off from positions, and it shows with consistency despite early departures.
LB is another pure example of this. LSU takes 2 mediocre LBs in 2010 with only 1 still on the team (Welter) then 1 in 2011 (Randle) that isn't even on the team anymore. So from 2 recruiting classes, LSU had 1, ONE!, LBer and it was Welter.
2012 resulted in overkill at the position with 6 LBers and only one has developed into anything consistent (Kwon). 2013, we took 3, converted one into a FB that isn't even starting, another and tried to make him a DE can't get on the field ahead of Welter, and the 3rd looks to be a special teamer.
There is a huge flaw in Les and Company's recruiting strategy and therein lies the issues with this team. It's not just about attrition.
Posted on 10/9/14 at 9:21 am to TxTiger82
The ones in bold play in games, what are the other ones doing on the bench?
92 Lewis Neal DE 6-1 255 So. 1L Wilson, N.C. (James B. Hunt HS)
46 Tashawn Bower DE 6-5 237 So. 1L Somerville, N.J. (Immaculata HS)
93 M.J. Patterson DE 6-3 231 Fr. RS Winnfield, La. (Winnfield HS)
94 Danielle Hunter DE 6-6 240 Jr. 2L Katy, Texas (Morton Ranch HS)
54 Justin Maclin DE 6-4 240 Sr. SQ Memphis, Tenn. (Ridgeway HS)
58 Sione Teuhema DE 6-4 232 Fr. HS Keller, Texas (Keller HS)
98 Deondre Clark DE 6-3 244 Fr. HS Oklahoma City, Okla. (Douglass HS)
59 Jermauria Rasco DE 6-3 247 Sr. 3L Shreveport, La. (Evangel Christian Academy)
88 Reid Travis DL 6-0 342 Fr. HS Kentwood, La. (Saint Thomas Aquinas HS)
60 Marcus Roberts DL 5-11 302 So. RS Baton Rouge, La. (McKinley HS)
57 Davon Godchaux DT 6-4 298 Fr. HS Plaquemine, La. (Plaquemine HS)
56 Trey Lealaimatafao DT 6-0 300 Fr. HS San Antonio, Texas (Warren HS)
97 Frank Herron DT 6-4 278 Fr. RS Memphis, Tenn. (Memphis Central HS)
90 Maquedius Bain DT 6-4 299 Fr. RS Ft. Lauderdale, Fla. (Univ. School of Nova Southeastern)
95 Quentin Thomas DT 6-4 303 Jr. 1L Breaux Bridge, La. (Breaux Bridge HS)
96 Mickey Johnson DT 6-1 310 Jr. SQ Covington, La. (St. Paul's HS)
91 Christian LaCouture DT 6-5 300 So. 1L Lincoln, Neb. (Lincoln Southwest HS)
99 Greg Gilmore DT 6-5 305 Fr. RS Hope Mills, N.C. (South View HS)
79 Travonte Valentine DT 6-3 325 Fr. HS Hialeah, Fla. (Champagnat Catholic HS)
92 Lewis Neal DE 6-1 255 So. 1L Wilson, N.C. (James B. Hunt HS)
46 Tashawn Bower DE 6-5 237 So. 1L Somerville, N.J. (Immaculata HS)
93 M.J. Patterson DE 6-3 231 Fr. RS Winnfield, La. (Winnfield HS)
94 Danielle Hunter DE 6-6 240 Jr. 2L Katy, Texas (Morton Ranch HS)
54 Justin Maclin DE 6-4 240 Sr. SQ Memphis, Tenn. (Ridgeway HS)
58 Sione Teuhema DE 6-4 232 Fr. HS Keller, Texas (Keller HS)
98 Deondre Clark DE 6-3 244 Fr. HS Oklahoma City, Okla. (Douglass HS)
59 Jermauria Rasco DE 6-3 247 Sr. 3L Shreveport, La. (Evangel Christian Academy)
88 Reid Travis DL 6-0 342 Fr. HS Kentwood, La. (Saint Thomas Aquinas HS)
60 Marcus Roberts DL 5-11 302 So. RS Baton Rouge, La. (McKinley HS)
57 Davon Godchaux DT 6-4 298 Fr. HS Plaquemine, La. (Plaquemine HS)
56 Trey Lealaimatafao DT 6-0 300 Fr. HS San Antonio, Texas (Warren HS)
97 Frank Herron DT 6-4 278 Fr. RS Memphis, Tenn. (Memphis Central HS)
90 Maquedius Bain DT 6-4 299 Fr. RS Ft. Lauderdale, Fla. (Univ. School of Nova Southeastern)
95 Quentin Thomas DT 6-4 303 Jr. 1L Breaux Bridge, La. (Breaux Bridge HS)
96 Mickey Johnson DT 6-1 310 Jr. SQ Covington, La. (St. Paul's HS)
91 Christian LaCouture DT 6-5 300 So. 1L Lincoln, Neb. (Lincoln Southwest HS)
99 Greg Gilmore DT 6-5 305 Fr. RS Hope Mills, N.C. (South View HS)
79 Travonte Valentine DT 6-3 325 Fr. HS Hialeah, Fla. (Champagnat Catholic HS)
Posted on 10/9/14 at 9:22 am to JTA1985
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More concerned with why Chavis doesn't rotate his DL and LLB
ole miss and miss st rotate their d-line players all game long so they stay fresh... LSU doesn't believe in it
Posted on 10/9/14 at 9:24 am to monsterballads
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ole miss and miss st rotate their d-line players all game long so they stay fresh... LSU doesn't believe in it
What?
LSU has been known for continuously rotating the D-line in years past.
Posted on 10/9/14 at 9:25 am to BeeFense5
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LSU has been known for continuously rotating the D-line in years past.
bee, they didn't last year, and they don't really this year. what's the deal?
freak and ego played like 70+ snaps a game in 2013... they were tired at the end of games
Posted on 10/9/14 at 9:26 am to 1badboy
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Les, is not able to get great QB's at LSU or don't know how to coach them up.
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Harris will become better with playing time
K
Posted on 10/9/14 at 9:28 am to TxTiger82
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Really? He had 6 tackles, 1.5 TFL and 1 sack. Lacouture played well.
this is what kills me about some people. You can't just look at raw statistics to determine if someone plays well. You have to actually watch the game to see how those tackles were made and whether he's a disruptive force.
I challenge you to show me where Lacouture was consistently disruptive against Auburn.
Posted on 10/9/14 at 9:30 am to monsterballads
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bee, they didn't last year, and they don't really this year. what's the deal? freak and ego played like 70+ snaps a game in 2013... they were tired at the end of games
I really think its a busted talent problem and a coaching problem on the D-line.
Posted on 10/9/14 at 9:31 am to BeeFense5
and we're not used to that as LSU fans. the d-line has been incredible in miles tenure. that's being 100% honest.
this season and last on the d-line were extremely weak.
this year the excuse is youth, last year, talent, with two veterans.
this season and last on the d-line were extremely weak.
this year the excuse is youth, last year, talent, with two veterans.
Posted on 10/9/14 at 9:34 am to atltiger6487
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You have to actually watch the game to see how those tackles were made and whether he's a disruptive force.
I watched the game, and I watched Lacouture have his best game of the year.
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I challenge you to show me where Lacouture was consistently disruptive against Auburn.
Well first of all, I don't think you'll be convinced no matter what. Secondly, his TFL and sack illustrate the extent of his disruptiveness.
As for players being consistently out of position and being over aggressive, it is hard to know who's fault that is. I'm not sure that is all on Lacouture. We don't know what each player is supposed to be doing on any given play. We don't know whose responsibility it is to get players lined up in the right gaps.
What we do know is that Lacouture played better than (a) any other DT we had and (b) most of our other players on defense. That is what we know.
Posted on 10/9/14 at 9:35 am to monsterballads
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and we're not used to that as LSU fans. the d-line has been incredible in miles tenure. that's being 100% honest. this season and last on the d-line were extremely weak. this year the excuse is youth, last year, talent, with two veterans.
This is an area where I am extremely concerned. I am also concerned with linebackers. We have brought in tons of line backers the last few classes and there seems to be many busts littered throughout that position. What happened to Chavis being a linebacker guru? And before anyone complains about Welter, the problem seems deeper than that imo.
Posted on 10/9/14 at 9:36 am to zsav77
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Harris was terrible against a top 5 team... Jennings was terrible against New Mexico St. One is more understandable than the other
Can we not agree that Jennings game had a bit of a snowball effect on his performance? He fumbled on a hard run, not excusable, but it happens. Then was booed and tried to force it to save himself against a team we knew we would beat. It was a bad game, no doubt, but he was pretty safe with the ball up until that point. Jennings also led a (mostly running) drive to go up 14-0, then Harris comes down the field, throwing one pass, to score and and now really delfate a team that is down 21-0 in the first half and already have 4 turnovers. They were demoralized.
I'm not saying one is better than the other, just that we should give this situation proper perspective.
Jennings has proven he can at least keep our head above water, Harris has proven he can make spectacular plays with no pressure. I personally don't want to lose anymore games, so we need to be flexible with our QB options to put us in a good place to compete.
The "let Harris take his lumps" crowd are the same fools that will call for a coaches head if we don't perform. I seriously don't think these people realize that letting Harris take his lumps, has and still does mean more losses.
Posted on 10/9/14 at 9:36 am to monsterballads
Neal and Clark also rotate in regularly. At DT we go four deep without QT (Lacouture, Godchaux, Neal, Bain).
Posted on 10/9/14 at 9:37 am to GeauxTigerTM
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Oh...please never apologize for a post like this. This is PRECISELY what this place ought to be for! Instead, it has become an asinine playground for sniping back and forth and trhose who can't focus on something longer than a 12 year old girl's Twitter feed jump your arse.
agreed
Posted on 10/9/14 at 9:38 am to BeeFense5
Linebackers this year:
62 Hunter Burns LB 5-11 206 Fr. RS Wilmer, Ala. (Mary G. Montgomery HS/Baton Rouge CC)
4 Kwon Alexander LB 6-2 227 Jr. 2L Oxford, Ala. (Oxford HS)
52 Kendell Beckwith LB 6-2 245 So. 1L Jackson, La. (East Feliciana HS)
22 Ronnie Feist LB 6-1 224 Jr. 1L Edgard, La. (West St. John HS)
45 Deion Jones LB 6-1 220 Jr. 2L New Orleans, La. (Jesuit HS)
53 Grant Leger LB 6-2 218 Jr. SQ Metairie, La. (Jesuit HS)
3 Clifton Garrett LB 6-2 242 Fr. HS Plainfield, Ill. (Plainfield South HS)
17 Myles O'Brien LB 6-2 205 Sr. SQ Metairie, La. (Archbishop Rummel/BRCC)
50 Christian Pittman LB 5-11 205 Jr. SQ New Orleans, La. (Brother Martin HS)
40 Duke Riley LB 6-1 218 So. 1L Buras, La. (John Curtis HS)
51 Jonathan Rucker LB 6-0 205 Fr. RS Ponchatoula, La. (Ponchatoula HS)
31 D.J. Welter LB 6-1 235 Sr. 1L Crowley, La. (Notre Dame HS)
48 Donnie Alexander LB 6-1 201 Fr. HS New Orleans, La. (Edna Karr HS)
23 Lamar Louis LB 5-11 229 Jr. 2L Breaux Bridge, La. (Breaux Bridge HS)
Why aren't they rotating more? i'm just stumped. I wish chavis and cam were available to the media
62 Hunter Burns LB 5-11 206 Fr. RS Wilmer, Ala. (Mary G. Montgomery HS/Baton Rouge CC)
4 Kwon Alexander LB 6-2 227 Jr. 2L Oxford, Ala. (Oxford HS)
52 Kendell Beckwith LB 6-2 245 So. 1L Jackson, La. (East Feliciana HS)
22 Ronnie Feist LB 6-1 224 Jr. 1L Edgard, La. (West St. John HS)
45 Deion Jones LB 6-1 220 Jr. 2L New Orleans, La. (Jesuit HS)
53 Grant Leger LB 6-2 218 Jr. SQ Metairie, La. (Jesuit HS)
3 Clifton Garrett LB 6-2 242 Fr. HS Plainfield, Ill. (Plainfield South HS)
17 Myles O'Brien LB 6-2 205 Sr. SQ Metairie, La. (Archbishop Rummel/BRCC)
50 Christian Pittman LB 5-11 205 Jr. SQ New Orleans, La. (Brother Martin HS)
40 Duke Riley LB 6-1 218 So. 1L Buras, La. (John Curtis HS)
51 Jonathan Rucker LB 6-0 205 Fr. RS Ponchatoula, La. (Ponchatoula HS)
31 D.J. Welter LB 6-1 235 Sr. 1L Crowley, La. (Notre Dame HS)
48 Donnie Alexander LB 6-1 201 Fr. HS New Orleans, La. (Edna Karr HS)
23 Lamar Louis LB 5-11 229 Jr. 2L Breaux Bridge, La. (Breaux Bridge HS)
Why aren't they rotating more? i'm just stumped. I wish chavis and cam were available to the media
This post was edited on 10/9/14 at 9:41 am
Posted on 10/9/14 at 9:39 am to monsterballads
D. Jones and Riley have appeared in every game this year. They rotate in, too.
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