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Posted on 10/8/14 at 9:32 am to sjmabry
if you want to run the spread you need Spread coaches who can implement a spread offense…not half arse it by running it 40% of the time. you have to have position coaches that know how to coach it as well. WE don't have that right now.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 9:33 am to DVinBR
Contrary to the belief on here, we don't just run power I. Now if we can just get some better accuracy from the qbs we could really move the chains, but in all honesty, there is no hope for the defense. So it doesn't really matter.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 9:35 am to moneyg
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You can run any play from that formation and it forces teams to respect the pass.
If your qb can complete a pass. Auburn could have put all 11 in the box on that play, don't need to defend the wr when your qb throws it in the stands.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 9:36 am to DVinBR
It is. What quarter was that? fourth or fifth.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 9:36 am to gene_parmesan
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you both sound like morons. did it ever occur to you that by the time harris started throwing it, LSU was already down 17? Auburn knew exactly what LSU was going to do and adjusted accordingly.
Look dude, in this case everyone is right.
We should be throwing it more, as our personnel seems to be perfect for the spread. But on the same token you can't discount the fact that Harris missed high a lot last game, and also missed guys who were wide open.
You can't help growing pains. But you can make sure your guy is getting practice reps in the right formations so he's not so inaccurate come game time.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 9:37 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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But it WILL take 3 years to completely redesign the offensive strategy to one that the fans have been begging for.
Why? Plenty of teams can implement a new system in the offseason. There is no reason you have to do it in stages. The NY Giants implemented a new system in less time then LSU coaches get with their players because minicamps don't start until a few months from season start. Miles gets practice in the Spring and in the Summer. It took the Giants two games to adjust and they seem to be settling in. It can be done and it would be ridiculous if it took Miles three years to do so.
This post was edited on 10/8/14 at 9:38 am
Posted on 10/8/14 at 9:39 am to ChaseRichardsUncle
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the coaches have to adjust to the players
Running spread with huge oline and power backs is not adjusting to players. Your qb needs to be able to take a snap from under center.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 9:41 am to Brettesaurus Rex
Yes. The whole purpose of the spread offense is to "spread" the defense. Finding mismatches in the passing game, leads to a solid running game, and vice versa, and keeps the defense honest.
We have the players to run this offense. Not everyone does.
We have the players to run this offense. Not everyone does.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 9:46 am to keeper05
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Why? Plenty of teams can implement a new system in the offseason. There is no reason you have to do it in stages. The NY Giants implemented a new system in less time then LSU coaches get with their players because minicamps don't start until a few months from season start. Miles gets practice in the Spring and in the Summer. It took the Giants two games to adjust and they seem to be settling in. It can be done and it would be ridiculous if it took Miles three years to do so.
Wholly fark.
Really? Comparing a pro team to a college team full of freshmen?
Go back to bed.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 9:50 am to DVinBR
Proof that the problem is not the lack of running a spread but that the problem is much deeper ... 0/13 on 3rd downs 1/5 on 4th downs? there a serious problem with this coach
Posted on 10/8/14 at 9:51 am to dgnx6
quote:Actually, we never run power I.
we don't just run power I.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 9:55 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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Wholly fark.
Really? Comparing a pro team to a college team full of freshmen?
Go back to bed.
But it's your contention that the (alleged) transition will take three whole years to implement? You must work for the government.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 10:08 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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Wholly fark.
Really? Comparing a pro team to a college team full of freshmen?
Go back to bed.
Why don't you provide evidence for it taking three years to implement a new system in the college ranks. Pretty certain it doesn't. You could cite many times when a coach takes over a team for the first time. They usually install their system.
Besides, these freshman you are mentioning came from high school already running the spread. If anything, there would be more of a growing pains running Miles' stale offense and I think we are seeing that.
Try again. Three years, ridiculous.
This post was edited on 10/8/14 at 10:11 am
Posted on 10/8/14 at 10:12 am to Mo Jeaux
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But it's your contention that the (alleged) transition will take three whole years to implement? You must work for the government.
No, but Miles does.
[NEWSFLASH: The LSU football team is loosely affiliated with Louisiana State University and Agricultural and Mechanical College, a government-run entity.]
I didn't say it would take three years to implement, but I did imply by we should see excellent results in Harris' JR year.
So yes, two years to implement, this year and next, mostly because Miles can't go winless one year in trying to implement it all at once.
People want Miles to change, but they are not willing to suffer the consequences of that change. Childish.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 10:16 am to keeper05
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You could cite many times when a coach takes over a team for the first time. They usually install their system.
And rarely are they successful in year 1.
New coaches also have the luxury of being cut some slack in their first year, they can lose a bunch of games. Miles doesn't have that luxury and must be seen as competing for the championship every year, even when trying to completely overhaul the offensive philosophy - WITH A TRUE FRESHMAN QB.
This year and next are when I'm saying we will see growing pains, by the third year (or even towards the end of year two) we may see a championship caliber offense again.
You wanted change, well here it fricking is. Quit crying and dwi.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 10:40 am to DVinBR
Both I and Spread formations can work with our personnel, the play calling just needs to take advantage of where the numbers are.
With the way teams have been stacking the box, when we're in the I, the other team's corners are on an island with Dural and Dupre, giving us an opportunity for quick in breaking routes as well as deep vertical routes. The problem is we've continued to run into unfavorable fronts and been predictable between run/pass on all 3 downs.
If our passing game can link up out of the I, teams will spread their linebackers and safeties and the running lanes will become available.
Conversely, if we run effectively out of the spread, teams will tighten up and we will again have numbers on the outside with our talented receivers.
When I played I thought it was easier to play pass defense against the spread because you were isolated less and could play more "team" defense.
Both formations can work, they just need to be used strategically to create balance.
With the way teams have been stacking the box, when we're in the I, the other team's corners are on an island with Dural and Dupre, giving us an opportunity for quick in breaking routes as well as deep vertical routes. The problem is we've continued to run into unfavorable fronts and been predictable between run/pass on all 3 downs.
If our passing game can link up out of the I, teams will spread their linebackers and safeties and the running lanes will become available.
Conversely, if we run effectively out of the spread, teams will tighten up and we will again have numbers on the outside with our talented receivers.
When I played I thought it was easier to play pass defense against the spread because you were isolated less and could play more "team" defense.
Both formations can work, they just need to be used strategically to create balance.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 10:46 am to dos crystal
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yep, i'm a moron. 1st series, second down. what was that play? are you calling a fumble snap from center a run?
Second Series-second down, when he turns the wrong way, what was that play? it's run because he didn't know the play.
Third series-second down, dural runs a out and go, harris throws the out and almost picked off. what was that play?
the qb is 3-15 for 58 yards (56 of the 58 came on one play). so you have 14 pass plays that total 2 yards. Yeah, let's throw the ball more, we can't complete a pass but lets throw it.
So first and second series wound up 3rd and short. Why not try a quick pass there? Auburn was most certainly expecting run. Try and catch them off guard.
3rd series second down - that was his first pass? So because he doesn't complete his first pass we should abandon the pass?
he was 3-15, but the majority of his throws were in the second half, and iirc, the ankle sprain occurred in the first half. I am not saying that he had a great game, he had a terrible game, I am saying he was never even given a chance.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 10:48 am to CanIPlay636
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If you think our o-line has difficulty blocking now, they don't stand a chance in the sprea
I disagree. If you have a terrible offensive line then you design plays that setup quickly. We are trying to throw fades and post routes. These routes take 3-4 seconds to setup against decent coverage. If the plays are designed to get the ball out of the QB's hands quickly and into a playmakers hands then I think the offense can improve. I-Form doesn't need to go away, but it needs to be used less IMO. At least have some creative plays out of I Form so that you can get the RB's some room. Spread used to get LF MD and our other recievers the ball against smaller corners in space. It's not as simple, but it would be effective.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 10:50 am to Brendoni
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it doesn't make sense, for Brandon harris to take snaps under center, imo.
who not?
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